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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will assure host and we have a fun show

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for you this evening I have Chris

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O'Brien great ufologists for many years

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he actually made the trek out here he's

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living in New York currently and made

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the trek up here

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he's currently I don't know if he's

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going to say this but he's currently

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eating a lobster in the guest house

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right now so he'll be over and be

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joining us in a bit before that I have

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Alejandro Rojas with the UFO updates and

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we are on kgr a radio and it's a real

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pleasure to be on that station we're

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also on YouTube live and you can also

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even see it on our website it's not much

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fun there over at our website to watch

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it so better off going to youtube if you

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want to watch it and over that kgr a

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radio and so we're gonna be talking

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about all kinds of things tonight by the

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way I do appreciate anyone that helps us

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out anyone that supports the show

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thanks so much and anyone anywhere can

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help us out that informations on my

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website podcast UFO comm and also we

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have a conditional blog writer is going

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to be sending us some blog so we'll see

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how that goes so check that website out

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also there's the UFO sightings page and

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if you had a UFO sighting and you want

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to remain anonymous we have an anonymous

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form to fill out there's some pretty

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good sightings and I check that out when

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you get some time so that's it for me

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blabbing away Alejandro welcome to the

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show thank you thank you

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so I'm will for the YouTube I'm a little

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askew here trying to figure things out

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here in the one of the in the library

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here but yeah Chris will be coming in

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walking in any minute when he finishes

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his dinner he's in one of the libraries

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because you

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there's several libraries about it right

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we were talking about this and oh I know

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it's a state yeah it's kind of a crazy

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place there's four of them whoa yeah but

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anyway places we know I work I've never

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owned a place like this if I I could

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never afford a place like this if it

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didn't

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so much work that's all that's all I got

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to say is it haunted no yet

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really libraries it seems hauntings come

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with it uh well I plan to haunt the

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place you know so okay I'll take care of

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that yeah yeah that's good

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so what's going on with the UFO news

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this week UFO news let's see ad there

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was some ruckus that was made by mr.

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Frank Kim blur so Kim blur is a guy and

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we broke this story at open minds that

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TV actually he is a earth sciences and

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geology teacher at the high school and

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college level at the Military Institute

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in New Mexico which happens to be in

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Roswell it's really cool if you have if

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you've been to Roswell you could see

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this at this estate it's cool in fact

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sometimes there are events that were

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held that there big auditorium they have

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this big old auditorium where it with

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plays and stuff they used to hold neat

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place so Frank years ago something like

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maybe ten years ago he moved out there

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to teach at this Military Institute and

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he decided hey you know uh since this is

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my specialty geology and stuff it might

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be kind of fun to look into this whole

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Roswell thing and see if there's

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anything to it he decided he what he

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would do is look at satellite photos or

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aerial photos of the land where the

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alleged crash site was and see if he

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sees anything interesting well he did he

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found some areas that he thought look

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like they or maybe burned and he thought

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they you know burned an area to kind of

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get rid of debris and stuff so he

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focused on these areas took his metal

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detector and he found a lot of you know

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mundane stuff but he did find some

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things that were interesting one of

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those pieces he took to add a lab

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essentially to get analyzed and he did

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this in conjunction with the UFO Museum

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out there sure enough they came back and

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different there are a lot of different

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analysis that can happen and there's

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some people that were like how come he

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didn't do this analysis or that analysis

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and he did do several

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and but most of those like electro my

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scrap poetry I always get that word

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backs up essentially what those will do

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element of the metal but and that's

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interesting but for the most stuff you

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know all the space stuff is all the same

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system is what to know the other solar

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systems right so what you really need to

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manufactured in a manner that we

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couldn't have done when something that

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was offworld that comes from you know

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elsewhere so sure enough this first

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analysis that he had done showed it was

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not material from this planet but it was

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a manufactured material so that's very

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promising I mean that's the key that's

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what we're looking for it was in the

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area of error very far off and the thing

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is is that you know they give you okay

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could be error but the whole point is we

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don't make errors like this big so

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there's no way we don't think it's an

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error but it could be so we needed

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further analysis done and I've helped

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him with a couple situations that have

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just been weird that didn't work out

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he's had a couple situations he's worked

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with including with Bigelow and that

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didn't really work out so he's on the

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brink he's had some more analysis done

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and he's had he's got some more on the

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way and he feels he's very close to that

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this stuff is you know et in nature and

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he didn't even want to tell anybody

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reason why he came out about it just the

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other day is that the BLM came knocking

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at the door and said hey you know this

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was BLM land where you collected this

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stuff we want to take a look and make

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sure you're doing the right thing and

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Frank kind of freaked out I mean he got

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scared as you could imagine you know the

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prospect of all this work kind of going

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down the tubes and them taking the

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material away he was really scared

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although he did follow their rules

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rules we posted it on our story at open

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mind TV and he did follow the rules the

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the you can take material as long as

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significant and this material has not

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proven to be that yet

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and then you know the BLM would then

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have a legitimate case to take it but of

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course if they said this was significant

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he was freaking out because they wanted

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morning on Monday and so I have an

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away from him so he's happy about that

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weekend not this weekend at the next

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weekend the weekend after July 4th and

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Museum as usual or I'm always speaking

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site and BLM caught wind of that and

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said hey wait you can't take a bunch of

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people out there you got to check with

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us before you have any events or

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anything and we don't want this area

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trampled on and it's not necessarily

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that easy to get to anyway and so they

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they were denying them and the people

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who were like well you Frank went out

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there and that's how they were like oh

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yeah Frank who's this Frank we want to

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talk to this Frank guy and so that's

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kind of how this all came about Wow so

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are you gonna be hearing from him

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eventually you know well I did hear from

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not to it and and he said yeah they not

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taking anything but he's still worried

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that they could alright I'm sorry I just

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got a little distracted here mom I

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didn't catch that part up sorry did you

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get lost in the library no no no just

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Chris came in and we have to change

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something real quickly

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so I'm gonna have to get up for a second

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but Chris is right here say hi Chris

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alejandro hey how's the manger no Brian

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yeah it has been a little while and

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you've been traveling around I haven't

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dude oh man

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boy it's been been a lot of miles here

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in the last month yeah I did

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conflict in the desert with people

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just I had me tucked away in a small

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dark little room so that I didn't come

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out and and you know harm anybody or

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insult anybody yeah that's good thing

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but but I still I ended up getting in

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trouble so yeah I'm sure but I mean it

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is it can be difficult especially at

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that event because there are some pretty

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strange things being said and I mean

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I've even been present where you know

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people want me to say that there was a

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you an alien that was a guest in my talk

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or something like that and it was like

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no no no and I think I don't know if

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they genuinely believe those things but

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people they do you they do let me let me

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let me assure you they do this is the

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tidal flats where the New Age washes

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over and then recedes at low tide mandir

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beach of ufology and it's it's a very

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very frightening experience to be

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subjected to the type of energy the to

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and borrow the parlance of the type of

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energy that pervades these types of

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events of course this year was the first

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year that they were indoors and quite a

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fancy place and I unfortunately had the

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job of mastering editing and mastering

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all the talks as they came hot off the

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couch and I was working six computers at

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once for my knowledge of about 17 hours

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a day for four days it was a madhouse

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yeah that's a lot of work yeah but

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it was you know I mean what can I say

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you know it was yeah i opening yeah i

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opening potentially not as educational

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as you would like you know what just to

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be but i opening nonetheless and i'm

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like you said it can't be I mean it's a

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bit scary this the the kind of Fringe

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ideas and the kind of unsubstantiated

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kind of belief can be fun and

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at times but especially in more recent

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times it at there's times where it does

271
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get a little more frightening like

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although you know you've heard of

273
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Hitchcockian right well this isn't will

274
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cocky and I love that yet that I coin

275
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the coin I should trademark it because

276
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it's definitely appropriate yeah yeah I

277
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mean there's just some people like

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speculation emulation or speculation

279
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sake and and that's great but it's not

280
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speculation that's it's it's claims that

281
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are off the charts that I'm sorry I

282
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don't I don't believe that Emory Smith

283
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autopsy 3,000 aliens I'm sorry you know

284
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sorry yeah no yeah well I'm back and

285
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thank you Chris we'll be bringing you

286
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back in yeah now that you went away we

287
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were able to no you just said and

288
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that'll generate some emails for happens

289
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yeah so so anyway

290
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anything else cooking in the UFO topic

291
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that you want to talk about Alejandra I

292
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guess we've kind of talked about

293
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everything else that's gone on you know

294
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I I'm den of geek I guess the only

295
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addition I have to this whole limit

296
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situation is that I did write destroy

297
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recently and it does have some input

298
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from Louise Elizondo and Leslie Kane and

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I think what's really interesting from

300
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Jeremy Korbel because I think he's gonna

301
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have some really interesting stuff

302
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coming out soon and he is I mean he's

303
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got some great interviews that he's been

304
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doing on Facebook so those are really

305
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cool check those out and these are wit

306
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do some of these events including David

307
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flavor who is two jet fighter pilot you

308
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know at this two thousand or San Diego

309
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thing which we've all heard from him but

310
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Jeremy knows him very well so this is

311
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more in-depth and and more lengthy than

312
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other interviews so he's one of these

313
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people that are very cautious because

314
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I've tried to get a hold of him and I

315
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haven't heard anything from him yes yeah

316
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yeah he's he's cautious which is good

317
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you know I think is a good thing you

318
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know I think it's good too and it's

319
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great that Jeremy is kind of the guy

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he's talking to at least because Jeremy

321
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is a friend of hire so he keeps us

322
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apprised of stuff right and so that's

323
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really cool okay I just got a noticed

324
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he's gonna be live Friday night I can't

325
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see that text that was from hang on just

326
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a minute he is going to be no it didn't

327
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come up here anyway is gonna be on kgr a

328
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radio I so that's what I've just

329
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gathered by a text that flew over on

330
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skype which I can't seem to get ahold of

331
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but anyway I'm sure you'll find out

332
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about that if you go to kgr a.com though

333
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note the notice should be up there on

334
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that website so Alejandro thanks so much

335
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for for being here as always thank you

336
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my friend

337
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alright and we'll talk to you next week

338
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alright see you Christian you alright

339
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well I guess our guest doesn't really

340
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need too much of a introduction all

341
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right do a lot of people don't know who

342
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the hell this guy is

343
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oh you kid alright I'm just gonna bring

344
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you in we're talking about stocking the

345
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herd all kinds of great research you've

346
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done places you've lifted quite quite a

347
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few amazing places welcome to the show

348
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it's good to be back in Maine after 31

349
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years 31 31 years and then I was only

350
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here once just for an afternoon Wow

351
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and I must say thank you so much I

352
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arrived there was a hot steamy lobster

353
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waiting for yeah it's great that broke

354
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the news to everyone oh man I would if

355
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it gave you more than one Lobster I

356
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might not see you know I probably came

357
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out after we

358
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yeah that would have been too much I

359
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probably wouldn't Bend me able to make

360
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it right make it across the parking lot

361
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there right so go ahead and let the go

362
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ahead and let the the listeners know who

363
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the heck you are well I'm one of those

364
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guys that wears helmets and flak vests

365
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and spends a lot of time when the

366
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trenches I as I've gotten older I've

367
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spent more and more time in the armchair

368
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but you know all through the 90s I

369
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happened to be sitting and living in one

370
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of the most amazing anomalous areas in

371
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North America with a variety and

372
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intensity of unusual experiences

373
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reported by locals there that pretty

374
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much is unrivaled anywhere I think in

375
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North America it's just everything from

376
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flying humanoids to you know a cult

377
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crime to Bigfoot trooping fairies every

378
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type of UFO imaginable secret military

379
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bases underground you know military

380
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bases all kinds of strange individuals

381
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[Music]

382
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that shall remain nameless it's just

383
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it's just an amazing place the San Luis

384
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Valley of course is what I'm talking

385
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about many of my people that do know my

386
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,060
work are familiar with with the valley

387
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it's the world's largest Alpine Valley

388
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it sits in the south-central Colorado

389
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North very extreme northern central New

390
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Mexico area it's like the backbone of

391
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North America America's Tibet some

392
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Tibetan Buddhists that visited called it

393
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that

394
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it's radar invisible below 18,000 feet

395
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it's about 140 miles long and totally

396
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surrounded by mountains and it's just an

397
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absolute paranormal Disneyland when I

398
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moved there I I knew that things had

399
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gone on there in the past of course the

400
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most famous incident would be the first

401
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publicized unexplained livestock death

402
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or cattle mutilation even though snippy

403
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the horse

404
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the cow I knew about the place beat all

405
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the way back to 67 rounds a little kid I

406
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remember reading about the flying

407
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saucers coming down and snippy and

408
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snippy and when I moved there in 89 I I

409
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thought that all that stuff was ancient

410
00:18:03,690 --> 00:18:02,259
history and I hope didn't you know it's

411
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kind of nosing around a little bit and

412
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then all of a sudden having a quite an

413
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upwelling of activity in the area and

414
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91-92 I got involved in really

415
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investigating reports that were coming

416
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in and the fact that I was a local with

417
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a local phone number and and people knew

418
00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:22,090
you they eventually got the idea that I

419
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:23,980
wasn't going to be judgmental and

420
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exploit their and violate their request

421
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:29,169
for anonymity credit them when they

422
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:31,570
wanted credit for for photographs and

423
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and in reports and stuff you know people

424
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started to feel I think a little bit

425
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more comfortable that there was someone

426
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local there and it's just the upwelling

427
00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:46,080
of it's just it was astounding how many

428
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how many reports I was able to

429
00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:50,679
investigate in a 10-year period well

430
00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:54,309
over I must have investigated around

431
00:19:01,680 --> 00:18:58,690
1200 bona fide reports out of which

432
00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:01,690
about seven eight hundred ended up in my

433
00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:04,590
database I have a database of unusual

434
00:19:10,919 --> 00:19:06,820
unexplained occurrences from that region

435
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:10,929
that probably rivals databases from

436
00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:12,850
other you know specific geographic

437
00:19:17,879 --> 00:19:15,370
regions in terms of its complexity

438
00:19:20,879 --> 00:19:17,889
intensity and the variety of reports

439
00:19:23,369 --> 00:19:20,889
that I was able to document and of

440
00:19:26,159 --> 00:19:23,379
course I ended up writing several books

441
00:19:29,369 --> 00:19:26,169
the mysterious valley came out in 96 it

442
00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:29,379
was a best-seller for paranormal books

443
00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:32,529
it went through 12 paintings and twelve

444
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:35,769
printings and then enter the valley was

445
00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:37,929
the all the historical information and

446
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:40,809
caught the reader up for a couple of

447
00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:43,330
years of activity and then secrets of

448
00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:44,769
the mysterious Valley which came out 10

449
00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:47,710
years later eight years later summed up

450
00:19:52,350 --> 00:19:50,500
the entire period and kind of gave an

451
00:19:54,019 --> 00:19:52,360
idea what it was like to be an

452
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:54,029
investigator running around

453
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:55,810
investigating some of them

454
00:20:01,410 --> 00:19:58,210
most compelling cases on record I'm

455
00:20:03,690 --> 00:20:01,420
quite proud of my work I've never made a

456
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:03,700
call to the media to promote myself

457
00:20:09,210 --> 00:20:07,210
unlike a lot of field investigators the

458
00:20:11,130 --> 00:20:09,220
first thing I do is call the local

459
00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:11,140
newspaper calls a local TV show and try

460
00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:13,300
to promote themselves never done that

461
00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:19,710
I've also I've also made sure not to

462
00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:22,620
violate people's request for anonymity

463
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:25,960
and and I worked quietly with five

464
00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:28,690
County Sheriff's Department's and when

465
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they got a report of the type that I've

466
00:20:35,670 --> 00:20:33,670
described I would be the first person

467
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:35,680
that would be contacted and quite often

468
00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:38,760
I I went out instead of the deputies and

469
00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:42,190
when one sheriff said I was the

470
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unofficial deputy of weirdness for five

471
00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:47,950
counties Sheriff's Department so I I

472
00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:49,870
spent 13 years there in the valley and

473
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:52,420
I'm quite proud of my work I'm that's a

474
00:20:57,810 --> 00:20:54,370
investigated over two hundred cattle

475
00:21:00,540 --> 00:20:57,820
mutilations up close and personal and my

476
00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:00,550
latest book is the textbook the Bible

477
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:03,220
the encyclopedia the case history of

478
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:05,770
that particular mystery I'm very proud

479
00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:08,650
of it I don't think anybody has even

480
00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:10,750
come close to putting the amount of time

481
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:14,680
and effort and objectivity into that

482
00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:17,050
particular mystery and you know stalking

483
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:21,430
the herd is the go-to book now when you

484
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:25,120
say you know a mystery have and I know

485
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:26,530
that I think I've asked you this before

486
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:31,510
Weiner on my shows you have a best guess

487
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:34,690
of what the or is it still just a plain

488
00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:38,530
mystery it's very complicated there's no

489
00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:40,630
one-size-fits-all answer everybody likes

490
00:21:44,780 --> 00:21:42,520
things nice and you know tied up in a

491
00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:44,790
bow in a nice neat little package well

492
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:49,390
this particular conundrum Gordian knot

493
00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:53,290
if you will it defies all simple logical

494
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:55,990
single explanations there's multiple

495
00:22:02,550 --> 00:21:59,700
groups involved everything from

496
00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:02,560
unidentified scavenger action which is

497
00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:07,030
the biggest I think sort of cause of a

498
00:22:10,049 --> 00:22:09,340
lot of these reports people seeing a

499
00:22:12,659 --> 00:22:10,059
dead cow

500
00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:12,669
hearing may be that there's mutilations

501
00:22:17,009 --> 00:22:15,070
going on in the region happening upon a

502
00:22:18,629 --> 00:22:17,019
dead cow stopping their car going out

503
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:18,639
looking at it not knowing what they're

504
00:22:24,479 --> 00:22:21,129
looking at and thinking that it looks

505
00:22:27,269 --> 00:22:24,489
unusual and reporting it as a cattle

506
00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:27,279
mutilation if you factor out all those

507
00:22:32,489 --> 00:22:30,190
types of misidentified scavenger action

508
00:22:35,879 --> 00:22:32,499
cases you are still left with a body of

509
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:35,889
cases however it's nowhere near the

510
00:22:43,349 --> 00:22:39,369
amount that some investigators out there

511
00:22:46,649 --> 00:22:43,359
with interesting theories but you know

512
00:22:48,570 --> 00:22:46,659
it just I mean that to me is mr. Iman

513
00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:48,580
Green when when you tout every dead cows

514
00:22:54,329 --> 00:22:51,460
as being mutilated out of 200 cases I

515
00:22:56,539 --> 00:22:54,339
think I had about 40 that definitely

516
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:56,549
appeared to be done with intelligence

517
00:23:06,089 --> 00:23:01,440
using cutting instruments out of those

518
00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:06,099
40 about three or four possibly had high

519
00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:07,929
heat as a cutting agent which are very

520
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:12,940
very disturbing and the total out of

521
00:23:17,459 --> 00:23:15,609
those 40 cases that I feel were real

522
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:17,469
mutilations that something did that to

523
00:23:23,639 --> 00:23:20,409
the poor animals there were eight about

524
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:23,649
eight cases that were really really

525
00:23:31,019 --> 00:23:27,369
spooky that that still sticks thick with

526
00:23:33,659 --> 00:23:31,029
me years later you know for instance at

527
00:23:36,959 --> 00:23:33,669
the skinwalker ranch there was a report

528
00:23:39,269 --> 00:23:36,969
of what appeared as if the cow had been

529
00:23:42,419 --> 00:23:39,279
dropped its head was jammed down inside

530
00:23:43,859 --> 00:23:42,429
of a hole did you ever see any cases

531
00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:43,869
where it appeared that the cow could

532
00:23:49,769 --> 00:23:45,999
have been dropped oh yeah quite a number

533
00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:49,779
yeah fact I found five that we actually

534
00:23:56,489 --> 00:23:54,580
I was down doing interviews with a with

535
00:23:58,259 --> 00:23:56,499
a film crew and some of the overheard us

536
00:24:00,629 --> 00:23:58,269
talking in arrests you know kind of a

537
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,639
little local restaurant she goes I was

538
00:24:04,889 --> 00:24:02,320
coming in you should caught you know

539
00:24:07,109 --> 00:24:04,899
County Road you know X Y Z or whatever

540
00:24:09,259 --> 00:24:07,119
good go down make a left make right and

541
00:24:11,609 --> 00:24:09,269
then look off by the fence line and

542
00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:11,619
there's there's some cows out there and

543
00:24:16,139 --> 00:24:13,960
they look strange so we did we went out

544
00:24:17,999 --> 00:24:16,149
there and sure enough all five of these

545
00:24:20,639 --> 00:24:18,009
animals that had appeared to have been

546
00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:20,649
dropped quite a distance I mean one of

547
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:22,520
them had all the ribs were

548
00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:26,570
can write on the spine on the downside

549
00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:29,270
and then one of the the horns had been

550
00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:31,630
driven into the ground and snapped off

551
00:24:36,670 --> 00:24:34,280
and and there's no way that that animal

552
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:36,680
could have done that to itself or it

553
00:24:39,670 --> 00:24:38,090
could have done it happened with

554
00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:39,680
somebody dumping dead cows at the back

555
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:41,990
of a pickup truck let's say they look

556
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:43,250
like they had been dropped in a pile

557
00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:45,110
there was four I think three or four

558
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:49,180
cows and a horse and a horse yeah Wow

559
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,360
not snippy no snipper goes back in 67

560
00:25:01,150 --> 00:24:57,200
this is 94 I think so I listened to your

561
00:25:03,730 --> 00:25:01,160
show on Greg bishops radio mysterioso

562
00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:03,740
I'm a fan of his show I really like that

563
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:05,990
enjoy at night suggest anyone to check

564
00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:07,160
it out it's a really great show

565
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:12,230
so in that show and I'm gonna call this

566
00:25:17,410 --> 00:25:14,990
the post-race Stanford show because you

567
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:17,420
also went to Ray stampers so yeah that's

568
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:18,590
show you were talking about going to

569
00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:21,050
race oh man I was excited I was ready to

570
00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:23,630
rock I had 20 to 23 hours of videotape

571
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:28,580
yeah and it's just ray got cold feet

572
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:31,310
he just totally back back back away from

573
00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:34,250
he's listening now just I know he did he

574
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,470
backed away ray next time I come down

575
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,480
I'm shooting everything I kept saying I

576
00:25:43,330 --> 00:25:40,400
should be shooting this I should be

577
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:43,340
shooting this and I wasn't going to jump

578
00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:46,750
right in and be rude and start filming

579
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,100
immediately I was waiting for him to say

580
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:51,440
you know go ahead you can film this I

581
00:25:58,030 --> 00:25:53,240
gave him plenty plenty of opportunities

582
00:26:01,900 --> 00:25:58,040
and you know Ray Ray Ray will at some

583
00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:01,910
point I think come to the realization

584
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:04,760
that you know he just passed his 80th

585
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:07,490
birthday here a couple days ago and and

586
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:11,060
uh you know it's the the the time is

587
00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:15,050
right to to document not only all his

588
00:26:19,390 --> 00:26:16,790
wonderful collections that he has that

589
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:19,400
are just jaw-dropping amazing his chunky

590
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:24,110
stone collection I think is the the

591
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:25,610
ancient aliens yeah

592
00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:28,760
there is really no proof that ancient

593
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,700
aliens were here unless you go and look

594
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,200
at ray Stanford's chunky stone

595
00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:35,600
collection then you will see

596
00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:38,900
physical evidence in at least in my

597
00:26:44,590 --> 00:26:41,270
estimation I think I think I can echo

598
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:44,600
Ray's feelings about this that the hair

599
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:47,180
is real concrete evidence that ancient

600
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:50,270
peoples up to 1800 years ago at least in

601
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:54,760
North America were witnessing

602
00:26:59,650 --> 00:26:57,230
extraordinary craft in the sky which

603
00:27:01,390 --> 00:26:59,660
evolved into the into the Native

604
00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:01,400
American game of chunky

605
00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:03,740
yeah these up these just got like

606
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:06,350
perfect I mean you couldn't describe

607
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:08,210
them anything more than perfect UFOs

608
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:10,760
yeah yeah saucers yes

609
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:13,370
complete with the 13 in minutes and and

610
00:27:17,290 --> 00:27:15,650
in little domes and and they're right

611
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,300
out if they were right in the central

612
00:27:23,230 --> 00:27:20,480
United States don't know yeah really and

613
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:23,240
most of them are made out of out of

614
00:27:27,670 --> 00:27:25,670
meteoritic material haematite and then

615
00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:27,680
Ray has one that may be made out of a

616
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,350
lunar meteorite and if that's if it is

617
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,240
it would be the only worked I think

618
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,120
lunar lunar meteorite ever ever

619
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:37,760
discovered and it's impressive it's big

620
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:40,220
I mean we're talking you know about five

621
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:42,170
inches six and four or five inches

622
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:44,090
across I don't think I've ever walked

623
00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:45,770
into anyone's house I saw a meteorite

624
00:27:49,540 --> 00:27:47,870
till I went in I can't remember seeing a

625
00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:49,550
meteorite in anyone's house except his

626
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:52,160
you know he's gonna couple of pretty

627
00:27:58,420 --> 00:27:55,040
good stones there he's got a collection

628
00:28:01,450 --> 00:27:58,430
of meteorites that the glass meteorite

629
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:01,460
that Allen Hynek said was the strangest

630
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:05,450
fall of all that's a classic I didn't

631
00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:07,490
get a chance to see that one again I've

632
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:10,070
seen it you know in the past but you

633
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:12,110
know I I love right I think he's the

634
00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:15,290
only person in the field will be of any

635
00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:18,380
attention I think everybody else are

636
00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:21,590
just a lot of posers and wannabes for

637
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,750
the most part you know there are some

638
00:28:28,210 --> 00:28:25,820
people that that I do have some respect

639
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:28,220
for good historians people that have

640
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:29,900
done a lot of work research eaten and

641
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:32,180
stuff but in terms of really analyzing

642
00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:34,850
the phenomenon looking at at the type of

643
00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:37,790
visual evidence that that we that we

644
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,340
have you know to ponder

645
00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:44,000
I think Ray's work is it's just so far

646
00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:46,790
above and beyond anybody else's work and

647
00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:47,950
of course he

648
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:51,160
early to mid-70s project starlight his

649
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:54,310
hard data monitoring program has been an

650
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:57,250
inspiration and a model for my effort in

651
00:29:02,690 --> 00:28:58,690
the San Luis Valley are putting together

652
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:02,700
a monitoring hard data monitoring

653
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,080
triangulated monitoring array and in the

654
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:08,640
San Luis Valley with with gravity meters

655
00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:11,980
magnetometers Kezia microphones and

656
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,920
other things to attempt to document some

657
00:29:18,570 --> 00:29:17,200
of the amazing sightings said they go on

658
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:18,580
in the valley cone you know continuously

659
00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:22,090
so that's that's something obviously we

660
00:29:26,730 --> 00:29:24,520
can talk about more but but ray-ray is

661
00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:26,740
the inspiration for that night when I

662
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:29,230
read about project starlight in the

663
00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:31,570
early to mid 70s and and then of course

664
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:35,560
project has Darwin in well it has Dolan

665
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:39,070
project in Norway between those two I

666
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:43,120
think we have the the real I guess the

667
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:46,510
the boilerplate the prototype of how it

668
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:49,510
could be done and and now and in 2018

669
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:52,090
with the the level of technology and the

670
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,940
price you know coming down for tech you

671
00:29:58,830 --> 00:29:56,320
know we're gonna be able to do some

672
00:30:02,880 --> 00:29:58,840
pretty amazing things if the if the

673
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:02,890
phenomenon doesn't play with our heads

674
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:06,040
and try to try to you know fake us out

675
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:10,150
but but we'll we'll see right right now

676
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:14,680
I think I I hope ray doesn't get mad at

677
00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:17,080
me for saying this but he has said to me

678
00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:20,020
that if anyone is really really serious

679
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:23,800
and takes this really serious and not

680
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:25,240
messing around and they're really

681
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:27,690
interested he will show them things yeah

682
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:30,580
yeah and he shows that a number of

683
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:34,540
people already it's just he just does

684
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:37,150
not want to go into hey yeah I forgot

685
00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:37,690
work

686
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:39,880
I forgot we went past break time how

687
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:42,370
about that so we are going to take a

688
00:30:49,770 --> 00:30:45,850
break everyone so hang in there this is

689
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:49,780
Martin Willis with kgr a radio and my

690
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:51,400
guest is Chris O'Brien we'll be right

691
00:31:01,210 --> 00:30:59,260
all right Mari not clear I'm so sorry

692
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:01,220
all right we got three minutes in this

693
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:03,650
break it's really sorry live which is

694
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:05,240
the live in which I don't even know that

695
00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:06,440
you're okay

696
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:08,600
we're actually live on YouTube just to

697
00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:14,360
let you know so actually what what I

698
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,790
like to do in these live breaks because

699
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:18,080
we're on YouTube it's gonna go into the

700
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:20,690
podcast as we just chitchat off a

701
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:22,520
different subject we were talking about

702
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:25,130
race so that's how we ended on that one

703
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:27,470
I set the timer here for three minutes

704
00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:31,550
so I don't know if you want to talk

705
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:34,040
about on the regular show if you want to

706
00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:36,170
talk about the pirate casts and why

707
00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:37,700
you're not on that or you want to save

708
00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:40,160
that for the regular part of the show oh

709
00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:42,590
no I can do it here I'd rather do it

710
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:44,540
here yeah Lovells are really booming to

711
00:31:51,610 --> 00:31:49,640
audio by the way yeah yeah okay one two

712
00:31:54,670 --> 00:31:51,620
one two yeah that's way better yeah okay

713
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:54,680
go ahead so so you're not on the podcast

714
00:32:02,520 --> 00:31:56,210
after how many years were you on there

715
00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:02,530
uh almost ten almost ten yeah yeah and

716
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:05,240
what made you decide not to be on there

717
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:09,050
anymore um it was just time time to move

718
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:11,690
along I you know I I think I'd pretty

719
00:32:23,770 --> 00:32:15,580
much what would the turn be shot my wad

720
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:23,780
I it just I don't know I'm into a whole

721
00:32:30,010 --> 00:32:26,390
new vibe trying to get the kids involved

722
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:30,020
Log form shows really aren't getting the

723
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:34,610
18 to 35 year old interested in in the

724
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:37,730
subject matter and as a result of that

725
00:32:41,890 --> 00:32:40,970
I've I've been working with a new

726
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:41,900
co-host

727
00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:45,050
Ted bonnet and we're coming up with a a

728
00:32:51,490 --> 00:32:49,040
much slicker modern kind of

729
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,500
multi-platform way of approaching the

730
00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:53,360
subject matter we're gonna have a cool

731
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:56,360
geo geographic app we're gonna have a TV

732
00:33:00,940 --> 00:32:58,250
show and a podcast it's all going to be

733
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:00,950
feeding to a database that's that's very

734
00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:02,410
very impressive

735
00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:04,990
and you know each of these things are

736
00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:07,780
gonna be are gonna be independent but

737
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:10,270
they're all gonna be feeding into into a

738
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:15,430
UFO grid which is the database grid now

739
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:18,520
if you go on if you type in UFO grid

740
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:20,890
comm it goes to Ted site now correct

741
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:23,580
which is called something else I forget

742
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:27,790
the name of it but so why did he decide

743
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,580
not to use that URL anymore that's that

744
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:32,320
was that's been around a long time right

745
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:34,930
yeah it has you know I'm not really sure

746
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:41,830
what his thinking was on that here bud

747
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:43,750
working you don't really have to worry

748
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:46,030
about that until until we take calls up

749
00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:47,800
by the way we will be taking calls later

750
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:49,300
on maybe yeah figure those of you

751
00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:52,960
listening live in YouTube also over when

752
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:54,760
we go back live I will let everyone know

753
00:34:04,370 --> 00:33:56,170
it looks like 20 seconds left all right

754
00:34:08,909 --> 00:34:07,020
commercial-free into the top of the next

755
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:08,919
hour come on I'm on the right side there

756
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:11,470
right is the live feed you were on the

757
00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:15,000
live feed right now yes okay yeah yeah

758
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:21,179
okay so he's gonna count us down back

759
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:24,190
all right Martin were good until five

760
00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:26,290
till we'll take the network break it

761
00:34:29,129 --> 00:34:27,340
then we'll come back and run

762
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:29,139
commercial-free for the final hour

763
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:30,040
sounds good

764
00:34:38,129 --> 00:34:31,990
all right stand by and I'll count you

765
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:38,139
down yep all right here we go

766
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:44,409
in five four three two all right welcome

767
00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:46,899
back it's Martin Willis with podcast UFO

768
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:50,919
my guest tonight is Chris O'Brien on kgr

769
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:56,080
a radio at kgr radio kgr a radio calm

770
00:35:02,010 --> 00:34:59,050
and so we were talking before the break

771
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:02,020
we were chatting about race Stanford

772
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:03,550
your visit there what what did you

773
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:06,370
accomplish while you were there well it

774
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:08,950
was good you know first of all visiting

775
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:11,740
with Ray and Sheila it's been six years

776
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:13,730
since I actually was out there at the

777
00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:18,560
house and I also got a chance to kind of

778
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:21,500
get a dry run through what hopefully I

779
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,930
will be at some point documenting I

780
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:25,760
think in the future all his various

781
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:28,700
collections is pre-columbian he was a

782
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:31,270
dinosaur trace evidence his fossils

783
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:33,530
meteorites and then of course the

784
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:36,710
all-important as he calls it anomalous

785
00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:40,040
aerial object analytical work he's been

786
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:43,660
working for well over a decade

787
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:46,790
analyzing the many films that he's taken

788
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:52,190
since 1956 of UFO events and what he's

789
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:54,710
done is he's digitized everything and

790
00:36:00,460 --> 00:35:56,180
then put it into a frame by frame

791
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:00,470
sequences so that he can then look at at

792
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:03,260
the trace evidence that's left in in the

793
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:07,280
in the sky of these events and it's just

794
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:11,570
it's phenomenal his observational acuity

795
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:14,330
is off the charts there's no one I've

796
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:17,690
met that even comes close to how in you

797
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:21,470
know insightful his his the physical

798
00:36:28,090 --> 00:36:25,550
ability to detect trace evidence whether

799
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:28,100
it's a dinosaur track that millions of

800
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:29,840
people have walked over and he can see

801
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:32,150
or if he looks up and sees the track

802
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:34,850
ways in the sky based on his his

803
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:37,790
photographs and and film footage it is

804
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:41,119
just dazzling and unfortunately you know

805
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:44,750
I'm a pretty right guy I've got a good

806
00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:48,260
working knowledge of several scientific

807
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,270
disciplines but I mean it's it takes

808
00:37:00,210 --> 00:36:55,760
every bit of concentration and every bit

809
00:37:02,770 --> 00:37:00,220
of my knowledge and and the you know the

810
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:02,780
the ability to stop him and ask

811
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:04,220
questions I think it's important when

812
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,530
when he gets too far beyond me

813
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:08,960
instead of my eyes glazing over and me

814
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:11,630
just kind of nodding off like some

815
00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:13,369
people I'm sure do when they when they

816
00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:17,500
see some of this very very intricate

817
00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:20,390
information of visual information iid

818
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:22,670
try to ask questions and try to get get

819
00:37:27,789 --> 00:37:25,700
you know make sure that I'm following

820
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:27,799
when he's talking about optical physics

821
00:37:30,789 --> 00:37:29,390
when he's talking about you know

822
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,799
gravitational fields where he's talking

823
00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:33,440
about magnetic fields and in light

824
00:37:37,539 --> 00:37:35,660
spectra and how light can be polarized

825
00:37:39,069 --> 00:37:37,549
or not polarized you know I there's

826
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,079
certain scientific principles that you

827
00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:40,640
you really have to have an understanding

828
00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:42,980
of in order for what he's saying to make

829
00:37:49,269 --> 00:37:46,940
sense so I'm really really dedicated to

830
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:49,279
making sure that we have a version of

831
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:52,510
Ray's presentation with ray actually

832
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:55,670
explaining the information sitting there

833
00:38:01,569 --> 00:37:59,599
without ray is only gonna you know only

834
00:38:03,789 --> 00:38:01,579
a few people really are gonna be able to

835
00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:03,799
decipher what he's done there

836
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:06,109
you know optical physicist theoretical

837
00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:07,490
physicists are gonna be able to sit down

838
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:10,430
and understand what he's done based on

839
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:12,980
what he's left behind let's say but with

840
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:15,529
ray actually sitting there taking you

841
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:17,690
through the process step by step I think

842
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:19,430
it's very important to get that down on

843
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:24,170
video and I'm ready you know that's one

844
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:26,210
of the reasons why I've moved back to

845
00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:29,049
the East Coast is to is to do this and

846
00:38:33,579 --> 00:38:32,900
I've already got his life in his own

847
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:33,589
words

848
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:35,990
you know transcript it's it's been

849
00:38:40,299 --> 00:38:37,730
written down I've spent hundreds of

850
00:38:42,759 --> 00:38:40,309
hours with him and then transcribed our

851
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:42,769
conversations about his life I was able

852
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:44,180
to get all his uri geller

853
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:46,390
stories which are just mind-warping

854
00:38:52,089 --> 00:38:49,849
which I never did get prior to this he

855
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,099
really care actually wanted him to tour

856
00:38:57,339 --> 00:38:53,839
with him yeah yeah yeah to be his

857
00:39:00,670 --> 00:38:57,349
battery or his his when the two of them

858
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:00,680
got together some pretty amazing stuff

859
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,900
very very well documented too I might

860
00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:05,839
add some pretty amazing stuff took place

861
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:08,359
and and initially the book was only

862
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:10,670
going to be as you Falah djegal history

863
00:39:16,749 --> 00:39:13,730
and stories but but now we're we're

864
00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:16,759
we're branching off a little bit Carl in

865
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:19,220
the chatroom by the way I will take a

866
00:39:26,099 --> 00:39:22,190
look at the chatroom on YouTube and I

867
00:39:29,529 --> 00:39:26,109
have Evan is over there on the K GRA

868
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:29,539
radio over he's over there at the chat

869
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:31,190
if someone wants to communicate a

870
00:39:36,339 --> 00:39:33,890
question to get to Chris so Carl here on

871
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:36,349
YouTube wants to know do you have any

872
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:38,810
latest what's your latest news on cattle

873
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:41,240
relations have you do you keep your your

874
00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:45,110
thumb on that yeah I do there's a couple

875
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:47,540
of interesting chat rooms there's a

876
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:50,270
Facebook a closed Facebook page and

877
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:54,140
anomalous animal deaths and you know of

878
00:40:00,880 --> 00:39:57,890
course we do have a lease network of if

879
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:00,890
you call it that of of investigators so

880
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:02,330
there's there's not many people out

881
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:05,030
there that are willing to to devote the

882
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:06,830
time and energy it takes to investigate

883
00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:10,910
these cases and it seems that most of

884
00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:12,260
the people that are involved in this

885
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:15,350
particular realm of investigation have

886
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:17,330
already come to the conclusion a Lien's

887
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,310
are responsible for all of this and and

888
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:21,920
that's it I mean if you even argue with

889
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:24,560
that you're the enemy you you are you

890
00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:28,610
know you know get away get away you know

891
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:30,740
you're not buying into the alien meme

892
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:33,620
well I think aliens have possibly the

893
00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:36,470
least likely explanation there's only

894
00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:42,680
maybe 7% maybe 10% of the data would

895
00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:46,760
support a UFO connection there's very

896
00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:49,820
little if any information pertaining to

897
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:54,230
aliens one or two claims over 60 years I

898
00:41:02,280 --> 00:40:56,570
think the majority of cases are actually

899
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:02,290
a a very stealthy well orchestrated

900
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:06,290
monitoring of the environment and of our

901
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:08,570
food chain I think there's a tremendous

902
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:10,990
fear within the beef industry within the

903
00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:13,760
the Centers for Disease Control possibly

904
00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:16,040
the National Institutes of Health some

905
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:18,440
sort of quasi group along those lines

906
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:22,040
may be in concert with the beef industry

907
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:24,920
that's deathly afraid of the outbreak of

908
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:26,990
mad cow disease and and then the

909
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:28,790
resulting cuts failed yakov's disease in

910
00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:31,730
humans of you know possibly blossoming

911
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:34,340
in the food chain so I think if you if

912
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:36,890
you look at the work that's been done by

913
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:39,800
Colm Kelleher who you know for many

914
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:41,540
years was the managing director for the

915
00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:42,590
National Institute for discovery

916
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:46,220
discovery Sciences mids with Robert

917
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:48,440
Bigelow spent quite a bit of time

918
00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:51,350
coordinating all the investigations up

919
00:41:57,070 --> 00:41:52,580
on the skin marker ran

920
00:41:59,560 --> 00:41:57,080
and you win a basin up in Utah comer a

921
00:42:03,070 --> 00:41:59,570
very very important book that I I'm so

922
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:03,080
bummed was so overlooked and it called

923
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:05,000
brain trust and and basically he laid

924
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:07,790
out the the proposition that mad cow

925
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:11,420
disease is the possible motivating

926
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:13,820
factor behind quite a number of cattle

927
00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:15,590
mutilations I'm not saying that's the

928
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:17,480
end-all to be all that's not that one

929
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:18,920
size fits all answer

930
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:20,870
I have cases going all the way back to

931
00:42:27,610 --> 00:42:25,280
1605 and 1606 and in you know during the

932
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:27,620
early part of the reign of James the

933
00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:29,990
first of England you know right when

934
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:32,180
Shakespeare was writing Macbeth and and

935
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:34,430
James was rewriting the Christian Bible

936
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:36,410
there were outbreaks of hundreds and

937
00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:37,910
hundreds of sheep mutilations in and

938
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:41,720
around London I did finally was able to

939
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,180
confirm that so so this is a true

940
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:46,960
mystery there is a high strange possibly

941
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:49,490
supernatural or preternatural element to

942
00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:51,620
it but but those cases are extremely

943
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:53,630
rare compared to to the many many

944
00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:55,730
thousands and thousands of what I feel

945
00:43:01,540 --> 00:42:58,520
are human perpetrated cases last time

946
00:43:04,410 --> 00:43:01,550
that you were on the show you really

947
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:04,420
wanted to make me become a vegetarian

948
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,190
you're talking about the beef industry

949
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:10,160
you know the methane caused by raising

950
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:13,670
beef now tell me if I'm wrong that you

951
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:16,250
said there's up to three hundred cows in

952
00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:18,260
a single McDonald's hamburger did you

953
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:20,360
say well they admit to a hundred but

954
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:23,060
there's been there's been with some

955
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:25,550
studies that would suggest it could be

956
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:28,730
as many as a thousand cows and say and

957
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:30,650
if any of them have nerve tissue that's

958
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:33,230
where the prions hang out and you know

959
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:35,030
if there's a downer cow they used to

960
00:43:39,010 --> 00:43:37,100
throw those into the food chain when a

961
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:39,020
cow was shaking and couldn't stand up

962
00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:40,220
and was twitchy now

963
00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:43,100
well like dementia like dementia in

964
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:46,790
humans these these animals are thrown in

965
00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:49,790
in the pie now they're put into pet

966
00:43:56,290 --> 00:43:53,240
foods you know if you use your cutlery

967
00:43:58,750 --> 00:43:56,300
to take the dog food out of the can or

968
00:44:00,340 --> 00:43:58,760
the cat food out of the can it doesn't

969
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:00,350
matter how many times you sterilize

970
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:02,090
those things there could still be prions

971
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:05,150
there because you can't kill them it

972
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:06,470
takes about 2,500

973
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:10,609
agrees to turn off a prion so you know

974
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:14,270
autoclaves and sterilization and even

975
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:16,510
chlorine bleach can't do away with

976
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:19,970
brains yeah so just the words otherwise

977
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:23,420
yeah you saw the little chihuahua to try

978
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:28,400
to I did eats better than human race

979
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:32,090
probably most Pepe Nair could look at

980
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:35,240
that yeah I used to do make my own cat

981
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:39,130
food yeah I get a pound of Turkey

982
00:44:45,339 --> 00:44:42,380
alfalfa sprouts chicken livers a little

983
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,349
squash Wow grind it all up and then do

984
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:48,800
little single serving things and freeze

985
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,690
it and and then and then one day

986
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:53,119
somebody was house-sitting and they ran

987
00:44:57,849 --> 00:44:55,910
out of our homemade cat food and and put

988
00:45:01,420 --> 00:44:57,859
down some Friskies some dry food and

989
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,430
they would never touch that well that's

990
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:03,200
the good stuff again ever

991
00:45:08,349 --> 00:45:06,260
yeah someone WOD stir wants to know have

992
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:08,359
you seen a map that overlays the

993
00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:11,650
mutilations with atomic testing yes yes

994
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:13,480
[Music]

995
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:16,849
absolutely David Perkins my mentor who's

996
00:45:21,579 --> 00:45:19,550
working diligently on a follow-up to

997
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:21,589
stocking the herd stocking the herd has

998
00:45:26,109 --> 00:45:23,450
all the data and it has 12 different

999
00:45:29,290 --> 00:45:26,119
databases correlated together and has

1000
00:45:31,329 --> 00:45:29,300
all the facts I had that's it's a 600

1001
00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:31,339
page book half a million words I had to

1002
00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:33,560
take 300 pages out because there wasn't

1003
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,580
enough room that is going to be it's

1004
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:39,680
kind of the basis for a follow-up book

1005
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:42,680
that's gonna analyze all the data we're

1006
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,849
not sure we're gonna call it stalking

1007
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:46,880
the stalkers mute speak we have a couple

1008
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:49,130
of working titles but but David Perkins

1009
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:51,650
might code my co-writer and my dear dear

1010
00:45:59,079 --> 00:45:54,950
dear friend and mentor he came up with a

1011
00:46:01,680 --> 00:45:59,089
theory and an observation in 1979 that

1012
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:01,690
if you take a map of above-ground

1013
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,550
pollution from a hundred above-ground

1014
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:07,280
nuclear tests at the Nevada Test Site

1015
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:09,470
you look at the wind patterns and how

1016
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:11,390
that nuclear radiation has been

1017
00:46:15,609 --> 00:46:14,210
distributed across the middle and

1018
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:15,619
eastern portions of the United States

1019
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,170
and then you take a map of high

1020
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:19,520
incidence of cat Amelie

1021
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:22,970
and overlay it's a perfect match it's

1022
00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:25,010
frightening and you know I've always

1023
00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:29,360
always wondered why California you know

1024
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:32,270
parts of western Nevada or Washington

1025
00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:35,000
Oregon British Columbia they have a few

1026
00:46:39,460 --> 00:46:37,880
cases but relatively speaking to what's

1027
00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:39,470
going on in Kansas Nebraska and New

1028
00:46:44,170 --> 00:46:42,500
Mexico Colorado there's hundreds and

1029
00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:44,180
hundreds of cases for every one case

1030
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:47,300
that you have upwind of the Nevada Test

1031
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:50,180
Site so another thing that we've found

1032
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:54,010
is that radiation in the environment and

1033
00:47:02,080 --> 00:46:57,970
levels of copper in the cattles blood

1034
00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:02,090
can kick off mad cow disease were more

1035
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:03,800
prevalent it could be more prevalent in

1036
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:07,100
animals that have been grazing on with

1037
00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:09,320
residual radiation in their environment

1038
00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:14,060
so the combination of copper and and

1039
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:17,300
radiation in the environment makes

1040
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:19,930
cattle more prone to developing

1041
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,040
misfolded proteins or prions now going

1042
00:47:30,430 --> 00:47:28,400
back to the San Luis Valley I lived in

1043
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,440
Colorado for three years but it was it

1044
00:47:33,610 --> 00:47:32,960
was in Longmont you know I don't know if

1045
00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:33,620
you know where that is

1046
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:36,470
yeah so what part of the state that's

1047
00:47:41,110 --> 00:47:39,080
down is a down toward Durango where is

1048
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:41,120
no that's West Western it's a western

1049
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:43,460
slope right in the middle of the state

1050
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:45,830
if you go down to Taos New Mexico yeah

1051
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:48,950
and stand you know right there let's say

1052
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:50,750
stand just north of town there at the

1053
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:52,910
Pueblo and look north you'll see this

1054
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:55,340
huge football shape valley it's 140

1055
00:48:00,420 --> 00:47:58,700
miles long that extends North Taos is at

1056
00:48:02,860 --> 00:48:00,430
the extreme southern end of the valley

1057
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:02,870
geographically and then the valley the

1058
00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:04,010
valley extends all the way up into

1059
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:08,180
Colorado 140 miles so that's that's the

1060
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:10,490
San Luis Valley

1061
00:48:17,350 --> 00:48:13,010
now do you know is it's a still a hotbed

1062
00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:17,360
right now yeah right now yeah last

1063
00:48:22,810 --> 00:48:20,360
September we had a bunch of reports two

1064
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:22,820
weeks was hot and heavy in March that

1065
00:48:30,370 --> 00:48:27,110
were a number of reports the one mystic

1066
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:30,380
mountain site on Facebook has been

1067
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:32,570
talking about some recent reports around

1068
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:33,119
the town

1069
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:37,680
Blanc my my guy down in meseta

1070
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:41,460
Thomas pay has had a number of reports

1071
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,249
that he's seen you have to remember

1072
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:46,079
because it's so prevalent there people

1073
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:47,880
have gotten used to it and it's normal

1074
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:51,210
for them dating back how far do you go

1075
00:48:56,989 --> 00:48:53,369
back in history where people been

1076
00:49:00,999 --> 00:48:56,999
reporting oh the earliest that I can

1077
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:01,009
find a report is 1777 and the first

1078
00:49:05,509 --> 00:49:03,180
Spanish governor of the New Mexico

1079
00:49:08,299 --> 00:49:05,519
Territory was chasing a Comanche war

1080
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:08,309
chief Quinta Verde up into the wherefore

1081
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:09,930
no Valley and as he passed by for

1082
00:49:14,359 --> 00:49:12,599
Garland and made the turn to go around

1083
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,369
to the east of the San Luis Valley he

1084
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:16,920
noticed up around Blanca peak which is

1085
00:49:21,049 --> 00:49:19,890
the highest mountain group in the on the

1086
00:49:23,299 --> 00:49:21,059
eastern side of the valley there he

1087
00:49:25,009 --> 00:49:23,309
noticed strange lights and and his

1088
00:49:28,999 --> 00:49:25,019
troops reported this weird kind of

1089
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:29,009
nauseating sort of humming sound or deep

1090
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:32,220
vibration in the ground so they'd like

1091
00:49:36,249 --> 00:49:34,140
the Taos home is what people would call

1092
00:49:40,489 --> 00:49:36,259
it later I think wow is there any

1093
00:49:43,549 --> 00:49:40,499
geological aspects that are unique like

1094
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,559
for instance at Brown Mountain with the

1095
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:45,420
although sightings of the air has a real

1096
00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:49,920
high copper content of that particular

1097
00:49:55,339 --> 00:49:53,430
mountain oh yeah yeah there's quite a

1098
00:49:57,289 --> 00:49:55,349
quite a note quite it's quite a number

1099
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:57,299
of interesting features there first of

1100
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,920
all it's the second-largest Rift Valley

1101
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,900
in the world where's the Great Rift

1102
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:03,839
Valley in Africa which goes up you know

1103
00:50:09,229 --> 00:50:07,230
the eastern part of Africa and it's

1104
00:50:10,729 --> 00:50:09,239
where some of the oldest remains of

1105
00:50:14,859 --> 00:50:10,739
humans have been found in Olduvai Gorge

1106
00:50:18,229 --> 00:50:14,869
in that area of Ethiopia that that that

1107
00:50:22,279 --> 00:50:18,239
that is the largest Rift Valley the the

1108
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,289
Rio Grande Rift Valley goes from south

1109
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:24,480
of El Paso all the way up through New

1110
00:50:29,779 --> 00:50:27,210
Mexico into the center of Colorado

1111
00:50:32,839 --> 00:50:29,789
around Leadville so that's a continuous

1112
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:32,849
rift it's a it's a it's a plate in the

1113
00:50:36,769 --> 00:50:34,980
North American plate it's where two

1114
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,779
sections of the North American plate

1115
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:40,319
come together and so occasionally you'll

1116
00:50:44,749 --> 00:50:43,710
have super cold on super cold nights

1117
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:44,759
with with like

1118
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,770
single-digit humidity

1119
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:49,140
I've seen this a couple times you have

1120
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,690
the piezoelectric quartz discharging up

1121
00:50:56,090 --> 00:50:53,280
into the atmosphere from the tops of the

1122
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:56,100
mountains these these weird white like

1123
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:00,960
they snake like Kundalini rushes going

1124
00:51:05,330 --> 00:51:02,940
up into the sky that are pretty

1125
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,340
interesting right and then there's two

1126
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:07,680
billion dollars worth of methane sitting

1127
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:10,530
out just west and north of the Great

1128
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:12,510
Sand Dunes and occasionally the

1129
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:13,800
conditions are right some of that

1130
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,790
methane gas will will illuminate and I

1131
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:19,380
think that's fooled quite a number of

1132
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:21,210
people over the years

1133
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:26,210
you also have interesting correlation in

1134
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,920
close proximity between the Earth's

1135
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:31,140
magnetic field in other words there are

1136
00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:33,390
areas where the magnetic field is that

1137
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,820
maximum strength and then areas where

1138
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:37,500
it's at minimum field strength and

1139
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:39,270
they're right buttered up against one

1140
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:41,730
another and it seems where you have the

1141
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,710
the close proximity between minimum

1142
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:45,480
maximum field strength there's like

1143
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:47,610
seems and that seems to be the corridors

1144
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:50,280
where a lot of our activity are you

1145
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,250
falah juh collectivity tends to be

1146
00:51:59,540 --> 00:51:55,680
mostly reported along this those

1147
00:52:00,740 --> 00:51:59,550
demarcation zone dmz if you will so you

1148
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:00,750
know and you also have the government

1149
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:02,370
they have the la Vida military

1150
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,200
operations area just over the mountains

1151
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:06,000
to the east and they're constantly

1152
00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:08,610
flying all kinds of weird you know

1153
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:11,340
conventional you know lit up like

1154
00:52:16,310 --> 00:52:14,040
something from outer space conventional

1155
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,320
craft and then probably some you know

1156
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:19,920
black black project craft as well if you

1157
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:22,080
want to you know get into all that kind

1158
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:23,280
of stuff you got to read my books

1159
00:52:28,340 --> 00:52:25,380
because I a little reluctant to talk

1160
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:28,350
about the government stuff on the on the

1161
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:31,980
air yeah we're going to break in just

1162
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:38,550
two minutes so as far as that - now did

1163
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:41,400
you first move there because you're

1164
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:43,260
interested or did you get interested

1165
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:46,920
when you move there no I moved to Santa

1166
00:52:54,620 --> 00:52:51,720
Fe in 89 and I just happened to witness

1167
00:52:58,580 --> 00:52:54,630
a fatal car accident and two pedestrian

1168
00:52:59,500 --> 00:52:58,590
yes from the crazy drivers there in

1169
00:53:02,290 --> 00:52:59,510
Santa Fe

1170
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:02,300
and I just took it as the universe

1171
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:03,770
saying that that wasn't quite the place

1172
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,830
for me and in Deborah and and so I had

1173
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:08,960
friends that had a big four-bedroom

1174
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:11,210
house up in the in the little town of

1175
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:13,490
crest stone and up in the San Luis

1176
00:53:17,590 --> 00:53:15,020
Valley and they said hey once you come

1177
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:17,600
up here and check it out and so we went

1178
00:53:22,930 --> 00:53:20,540
up there just to check it out and we

1179
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,940
ended I ended up staying for 13 years

1180
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:25,520
and some of the the most you know it's

1181
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:27,020
one of the most remote areas in North

1182
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:27,800
America

1183
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:30,260
I mean it's 60 miles to near a stoplight

1184
00:53:39,610 --> 00:53:36,550
from where I lived oh yeah this is like

1185
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:39,620
we have we have a stoplight I think yeah

1186
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:42,560
well it's not real far away anyway all

1187
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:44,750
right so we're coming up on the break

1188
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:49,250
and we'll come back and a bit and we're

1189
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:52,070
probably gonna ask you about your

1190
00:53:58,450 --> 00:53:53,690
project too that you're thinking about

1191
00:54:00,010 --> 00:53:58,460
snoring yeah all right so we are coming

1192
00:54:04,330 --> 00:54:00,020
up in the break this is Martin Willis

1193
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:04,340
with podcast UFO and we are in kite kgr

1194
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:08,360
a radio and we are going to take a break

1195
00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:10,190
so hang in stay with us we'll be back

1196
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:18,020
all right Martin we're clear and we've

1197
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:23,570
got let me see one two three almost four

1198
00:54:33,090 --> 00:54:27,740
minutes of stop set program and plus the

1199
00:54:37,180 --> 00:54:33,100
bumper so okay all right very good

1200
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:37,190
sounds good race so here we're at we

1201
00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:38,930
only have this break and then that's it

1202
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:41,300
the rest is live show so when we come

1203
00:54:45,310 --> 00:54:43,610
back for those of listening on YouTube

1204
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:45,320
when we come back we'll take phone calls

1205
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:48,650
and if you want to write that number

1206
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:52,820
down get ready with your pen it is six

1207
00:54:59,110 --> 00:54:56,900
oh three nine six seven four OH three Oh

1208
00:55:00,760 --> 00:54:59,120
glad to see you in the chatroom ba

1209
00:55:02,530 --> 00:55:00,770
because I know when I was on Wednesday

1210
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,540
night she couldn't get there too late

1211
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:04,640
so good to see this must be your easy

1212
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:09,200
night for you or you get off early so on

1213
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:10,760
this break

1214
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:12,410
what can we talk about that you don't

1215
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:13,790
really want to talk about in the Regular

1216
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:16,610
Show do you want to continue talking

1217
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:18,950
about para cast you just decided not to

1218
00:55:22,270 --> 00:55:20,810
do that but now you're going to be on

1219
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:22,280
with is it Tim

1220
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:27,430
Ted Banda yeah yeah well it's yeah I

1221
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:30,440
there are a number of reasons why I

1222
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:32,990
finally left the show and and I'm sure

1223
00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:34,850
people that know me and know the show

1224
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,630
and know the trials and tribulations

1225
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:40,640
that have gone into my involvement with

1226
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:44,960
the show I don't want to I don't want to

1227
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:48,860
belabor any anything or you know cast

1228
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:51,350
aspersions are complaining or [\h__\h] or

1229
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,440
moan or whatever but but I just you know

1230
00:55:59,080 --> 00:55:56,240
I felt it for the amount of work that I

1231
00:56:04,180 --> 00:55:59,090
was putting in there I wasn't seeing the

1232
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:04,190
kind of I don't know it just wasn't

1233
00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:06,110
worth my time

1234
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:08,150
for the amount of effort and energy that

1235
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,200
it takes to do a two-hour show it just

1236
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:14,000
you know it was too much work for too

1237
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:17,600
little coming back and and you know it

1238
00:56:22,510 --> 00:56:19,850
just again I think the main thing though

1239
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:22,520
is that I really want to move forward in

1240
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:27,110
the type of broadcasting scenario I want

1241
00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:28,970
to be multi-platform I want to be

1242
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:31,700
talking to you know to 18 to 35 year

1243
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:35,110
olds the baby boomers can argue about

1244
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:38,150
whether UFOs exist all they want the

1245
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:40,970
kids know they do they're not interested

1246
00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:42,890
in sitting there and listening to you

1247
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:44,780
know war stories featuring Donald Keough

1248
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,410
and Jim Mosely these are you know people

1249
00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:51,200
from you know ancient history even their

1250
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:52,940
parents would would think that they were

1251
00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:56,330
old old old news so I am looking to do

1252
00:57:03,460 --> 00:56:59,830
something much more cool cutting-edge

1253
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:03,470
and in less old school

1254
00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:04,910
I hear you say it was gonna be just like

1255
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,090
yeah absolutely I mean I can have

1256
00:57:17,530 --> 00:57:14,720
cliffhangers and you know you can wait

1257
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:17,540
to the next half hour show absolutely

1258
00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:22,490
III I think that if you can't if you

1259
00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:24,500
can't get a point across

1260
00:57:29,830 --> 00:57:26,600
and a half hour whatever that point

1261
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:29,840
might be the kids aren't gonna be

1262
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:31,910
interested yeah well I know the

1263
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:36,050
attention span is is short you know it's

1264
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:38,510
just in the reason to be fair the reason

1265
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:40,910
is there's so much information all the

1266
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:43,760
time being blasted had everyone's way

1267
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:46,250
that's I totally understand why the

1268
00:57:49,810 --> 00:57:47,990
two-minute video and YouTube is the one

1269
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:49,820
that people watch instead of like you

1270
00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:53,930
know 4-minute well in again it our our

1271
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:55,820
approach is gonna be much different

1272
00:58:00,580 --> 00:57:57,950
we're gonna have people out and you know

1273
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,590
Ted's gonna be out in the field it's

1274
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:03,040
gonna be story driven it's all gonna

1275
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:05,710
everything's gonna be kicking back to a

1276
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:10,640
you know a regional based database I

1277
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:12,530
think race aren't we going in to the

1278
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:17,390
back to the show now we've got about 28

1279
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:25,250
seconds 28 seconds okay very good so not

1280
00:58:28,510 --> 00:58:26,990
much we can say in 28 seconds so just

1281
00:58:29,170 --> 00:58:28,520
quickly where is someone gonna be able

1282
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:29,180
to find them

1283
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:31,610
well we we don't have an actual web

1284
00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:33,260
presence yet but the show is gonna be

1285
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:36,230
called out there and and we're

1286
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:37,670
definitely gonna be out there we're

1287
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:39,650
gonna be covering all aspects of the

1288
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:43,660
paranormal and and also of consciousness

1289
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:46,730
psychedelic studies we're gonna be

1290
00:58:49,690 --> 00:58:48,500
branching out and and looking at all

1291
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:49,700
this stuff when they're a big umbrella

1292
00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:54,050
okay all right you all said Martin yeah

1293
00:58:57,730 --> 00:58:54,800
we're all set here

1294
00:59:02,130 --> 00:58:57,740
yeah Chris you ready yep all right dude

1295
00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:02,140
gentlemen here we go in five four three

1296
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:04,150
two

1297
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:06,770
welcome back everyone this is Martin

1298
00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:09,170
Willis with podcast UFO my guest tonight

1299
00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:14,060
is Chris O'Brien in studio and I'm glad

1300
00:59:20,590 --> 00:59:17,830
to have him here and before the break I

1301
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:20,600
can't hack where we talk about San Luis

1302
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:22,940
Valley I can I don't know we change the

1303
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:26,420
subject so many times since then but we

1304
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:28,310
are now going to be taking calls if

1305
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,540
anyone would like to call in and that

1306
00:59:37,810 --> 00:59:34,160
number I'm just going to announce it for

1307
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:37,820
those over at kgr a radio and also evan

1308
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:38,210
will

1309
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:41,330
the number there and on YouTube it'll be

1310
00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:44,090
up on your screen screen and that's 603

1311
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:47,840
9 6 7 400 300 if anyone would like to

1312
00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:50,090
call in we are getting some questions in

1313
00:59:55,150 --> 00:59:53,000
the chat I noticed and I will try to get

1314
00:59:59,590 --> 00:59:55,160
to them but of course we always like to

1315
01:00:02,080 --> 00:59:59,600
have people call in and someone posted

1316
01:00:04,030 --> 01:00:02,090
this question over at kgr a radio and

1317
01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:04,040
that is speaking of things washed up on

1318
01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:05,660
the beach what about the strange object

1319
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:07,640
that washed up on the California beach

1320
01:00:18,070 --> 01:00:09,530
with flashing with a flashing light on

1321
01:00:19,420 --> 01:00:18,080
top there for several months sorry we

1322
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:19,430
don't we don't hear about it we can't

1323
01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:21,950
really comment money on it well sounds

1324
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:24,040
sounds mundane

1325
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:32,990
ok so let's see someone here was I don't

1326
01:00:36,790 --> 01:00:34,970
want a boy there's a lot of questions

1327
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:36,800
coming in and let's see what do you

1328
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:40,510
think of the Eric Davis calm that

1329
01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:43,130
poltergeist activity always accompanies

1330
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:45,260
the UFO phenomenon are you familiar with

1331
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:49,070
that yeah I haven't really dug into some

1332
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:52,010
of the interviews in comments that have

1333
01:00:58,900 --> 01:00:56,570
done been done about his interview it's

1334
01:01:01,000 --> 01:00:58,910
it doesn't surprise me I think John

1335
01:01:04,890 --> 01:01:01,010
Alexander is someone that's been

1336
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:04,900
champing a big connection between

1337
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:08,300
various divergent mysteries that people

1338
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:11,450
would think are standalone and in or you

1339
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:15,530
know encapsulated and and and sort of

1340
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:18,380
stovepipe I disagree I think there's a

1341
01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:21,470
connecting point that ties a lot of

1342
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:23,300
these various types of mysteries

1343
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:27,770
together and to be followed home from a

1344
01:01:31,810 --> 01:01:30,230
hot spot location and to have a

1345
01:01:34,690 --> 01:01:31,820
hitchhiker that all of a sudden then

1346
01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:34,700
starts you know pranking you in your

1347
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:36,740
house it makes perfect sense to me and

1348
01:01:40,510 --> 01:01:38,570
it doesn't surprise me at all in fact

1349
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:40,520
I've kind of been saying this for years

1350
01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:43,960
that there is a connection between

1351
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,080
various paranormal phenomena oh yeah

1352
01:01:50,770 --> 01:01:50,240
there are some theories out there I've

1353
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:50,780
heard

1354
01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:54,470
for instance Paul you know has a theory

1355
01:01:58,020 --> 01:01:55,700
that's pretty interesting I don't know

1356
01:02:01,359 --> 01:01:58,030
if you've ever heard of his mmm-hmm yeah

1357
01:02:04,809 --> 01:02:01,369
so and II wanted to know if you can

1358
01:02:07,050 --> 01:02:04,819
comment on any other Gormley slash

1359
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:07,060
Bradshaw type sites currently

1360
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:11,599
experiencing high strangeness well it

1361
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:13,569
depends on what you mean by currently

1362
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:15,770
you know I've been gone for the last

1363
01:02:18,579 --> 01:02:17,210
month so it's hard for me to comment

1364
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:18,589
about anything that's been going on

1365
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:21,140
within the last few weeks the Bradshaw

1366
01:02:29,470 --> 01:02:25,430
ranch has been fairly dead but there was

1367
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:29,480
let's see about a year ago third week of

1368
01:02:34,180 --> 01:02:32,030
September there was a an interesting

1369
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:34,190
report from out in the Bradshaw branch

1370
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:36,050
for some of the listeners who don't know

1371
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:38,810
where the application is that's west of

1372
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:41,690
Sedona Arizona where I live for for the

1373
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:46,250
last fourteen years and an investigator

1374
01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:49,250
researcher named Tom dongho worked with

1375
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:51,800
the ranch owner Linda Bradshaw for quite

1376
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:53,089
a number of years wrote three books

1377
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:55,640
about some of the you know the activity

1378
01:03:01,720 --> 01:02:58,490
out there the Sherman Ranch or the

1379
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:01,730
Gorman ranch as George Knapp called it

1380
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,310
in a hunt for the skinwalker is the skin

1381
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:06,079
also called skinwalker ranch up in the

1382
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:09,710
Uintah Basin there's constantly stuff

1383
01:03:16,210 --> 01:03:13,040
going on around there but as with the

1384
01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:16,220
San Luis Valley people are so used to it

1385
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:18,040
and they know that there's nothing

1386
01:03:22,569 --> 01:03:20,089
nothing good is gonna come from

1387
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:22,579
reporting activity they're just gonna

1388
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:24,770
open themselves up for for media

1389
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:26,930
attention and for people to you know be

1390
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:28,839
staking out their property and stuff so

1391
01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:32,210
you know locals in these areas they will

1392
01:03:37,660 --> 01:03:35,560
not report these things to national

1393
01:03:39,849 --> 01:03:37,670
organizations it's generally newcomers

1394
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:39,859
to the area they get excited and then

1395
01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:42,230
might mention stuff all the old locals

1396
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:44,030
do the old timers they they will never

1397
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:47,420
report stuff to outside investigators

1398
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:49,970
and it takes years of getting to know

1399
01:03:55,089 --> 01:03:53,270
people of gaining their trust of getting

1400
01:03:58,569 --> 01:03:55,099
them to open up and and be forthright

1401
01:04:01,420 --> 01:03:58,579
about their experiences for them to to

1402
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:01,430
comment in and to publicize these things

1403
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:04,680
so stuff is always burbling

1404
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:06,090
of course we do have peaks and valleys

1405
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:09,180
and waves that occur right now I think

1406
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:11,460
we're in a lull period generally this

1407
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:12,330
time of year

1408
01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:15,480
you see activity tail off and then the

1409
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:17,070
end of August began in September it

1410
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:19,140
starts to pick up again it's generally a

1411
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:22,260
bell curve around you know the spring is

1412
01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:25,380
heightened activity it kind of tails off

1413
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:27,270
in the summer and then and then it

1414
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:30,750
raises it's a phenomenal head cutting in

1415
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:33,090
the fall that's in a regular year and

1416
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:35,460
we're an off year when it's really hot

1417
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:38,340
and heavy those are the times of the

1418
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:41,190
year that it's really intense and the

1419
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:44,220
summer and in winter you'll have reports

1420
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:48,090
but but not as many I'm trying to

1421
01:04:52,610 --> 01:04:50,550
understand this question from Michael

1422
01:04:56,090 --> 01:04:52,620
thanks for the question

1423
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:56,100
let's see it just went away here what

1424
01:05:00,920 --> 01:04:58,290
types of devices have you seen and

1425
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:00,930
technology that you can talk about and

1426
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:05,250
if you can't talk about some of it that

1427
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:07,380
okay nevermind we'll just skip that

1428
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:10,020
question let's talk about your your

1429
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:12,810
camera device project yeah you know the

1430
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:14,970
San Luis Valley camera and monitoring

1431
01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:18,480
project it's part of a larger project

1432
01:05:24,110 --> 01:05:22,500
that the San Luis Valley is going to be

1433
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,120
the litmus test the first place where

1434
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:26,640
it's really you know put out into the

1435
01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:29,490
field and then become it will become

1436
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:31,140
operational later this summer in early

1437
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:33,510
fall basically what we're doing is we're

1438
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:36,720
putting up a triangulated system which

1439
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:39,530
means that there will be more than one

1440
01:05:47,020 --> 01:05:44,910
camera ideally three cameras and each of

1441
01:05:50,330 --> 01:05:47,030
these cameras will have an accompanying

1442
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:50,340
package of sensing hardware that will be

1443
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:53,130
sitting there in a box underneath it and

1444
01:05:59,330 --> 01:05:54,840
it'll all be connected to the Internet

1445
01:06:01,940 --> 01:05:59,340
now the cameras are really the

1446
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:01,950
technology is amazing now so for less

1447
01:06:07,550 --> 01:06:03,450
than a thousand dollars you can get a

1448
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:07,560
very very good high res camera people

1449
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:09,990
say well why don't you go 4k because we

1450
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:13,050
don't have the data the pipeline for the

1451
01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:17,010
data to go 4k and you know we're going

1452
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:17,640
to have some

1453
01:06:23,059 --> 01:06:20,569
word recording so will you high def is

1454
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:23,069
is the extent of where we're going

1455
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:25,890
visually optically but we're gonna have

1456
01:06:32,059 --> 01:06:28,619
a system that's gonna be idling and

1457
01:06:34,279 --> 01:06:32,069
they'll be able to go online and see the

1458
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:34,289
system going through what we call a

1459
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:37,170
Patrol routine where each camera will be

1460
01:06:40,759 --> 01:06:38,970
going and then it'll shift to another

1461
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:40,769
cameras shift to another camera it'll be

1462
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,660
kind of on standby

1463
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:45,299
it'll be on idle and then we have an

1464
01:06:49,279 --> 01:06:47,250
all-sky camera which will be sitting in

1465
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,289
the middle of the triangulated array and

1466
01:06:54,339 --> 01:06:51,599
that basically can see the entire sky

1467
01:06:57,799 --> 01:06:54,349
and each of the pixels that are in that

1468
01:07:00,589 --> 01:06:57,809
display of the entire sky has a number

1469
01:07:04,509 --> 01:07:00,599
of value and when something happens that

1470
01:07:07,339 --> 01:07:04,519
either has the luminance the speed

1471
01:07:09,099 --> 01:07:07,349
various parameters that that alert us if

1472
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:09,109
something unusual is happening

1473
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:11,490
immediately that proximity data

1474
01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:13,740
generated by the pixels will be sent to

1475
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:15,809
the other cameras they will swing around

1476
01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:21,390
and focus on the event so that's what

1477
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:22,920
we're going to be looking at optically

1478
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,559
and then boom you'll see we'll go from a

1479
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:27,359
low res idle

1480
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:30,680
you know status into a high res status

1481
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:33,210
the software will click on will have

1482
01:07:37,339 --> 01:07:35,490
recording and then you'll have targeting

1483
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:37,349
boxes that will appear around the object

1484
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:40,170
and then the cameras will then motion

1485
01:07:45,230 --> 01:07:43,710
track the object so that if it moves to

1486
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:45,240
the left the cameras will move to the

1487
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:47,730
left and then they'll try to if it stops

1488
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:49,170
for a little bit they'll try to zoom in

1489
01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:51,210
and so we're gonna have three different

1490
01:07:55,579 --> 01:07:54,359
angles at a single event now sitting

1491
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:55,589
underneath the camera

1492
01:08:03,410 --> 01:07:59,460
these cameras by the way have a 36 times

1493
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:03,420
optical zoom so we can zoom in fairly

1494
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,049
close to to the event if it's you know

1495
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:09,119
within 10 miles of the event we're gonna

1496
01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:13,440
get some pretty good images yeah exactly

1497
01:08:18,769 --> 01:08:16,350
it depends a the bounding box if it sits

1498
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:18,779
still for long enough time then we'll be

1499
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:20,940
able to get a zoom on it now underneath

1500
01:08:25,459 --> 01:08:22,770
the camera will be a series of

1501
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:25,469
scientific monitoring equipment that

1502
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:27,060
will monitor changes in the Earth's

1503
01:08:31,270 --> 01:08:28,400
magnetic

1504
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:31,280
changes in the gravitational field will

1505
01:08:36,370 --> 01:08:33,230
be monitoring temperature humidity wind

1506
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:36,380
speed temperature will be plugged into

1507
01:08:41,140 --> 01:08:38,330
FlightAware so we're gonna be factoring

1508
01:08:43,810 --> 01:08:41,150
out any transponders conventional craft

1509
01:08:45,310 --> 01:08:43,820
any lights in the environment they're

1510
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:45,320
gonna be known in advance

1511
01:08:50,290 --> 01:08:47,570
highways street lights house lights

1512
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:50,300
they'll be masked out and then we'll

1513
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,090
have two sets of images optically one

1514
01:08:56,830 --> 01:08:55,520
that'll have all our data in a time code

1515
01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:56,840
and the other just with the time code

1516
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:00,710
and the actual object so it's never been

1517
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:03,920
done we've had as I mentioned earlier

1518
01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:06,290
ray Stanford did attempt to do this he

1519
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:09,200
had a two million dollar single single

1520
01:09:13,660 --> 01:09:11,290
operation with just a single set of gear

1521
01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:13,670
we're gonna be doing three different

1522
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:17,540
sets of gear and its historic if we can

1523
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:19,850
pull this off and then replicate some of

1524
01:09:26,650 --> 01:09:22,970
our data and then make hypothesis you

1525
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:26,660
know actually create a hypothesis and

1526
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:28,970
then get follow-up data to substantiate

1527
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:31,610
that hypothesis we're gonna be able to

1528
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:34,640
have in conjunction with optical

1529
01:09:38,710 --> 01:09:36,530
physicist theoretical physicists we

1530
01:09:41,770 --> 01:09:38,720
literally could theoretically like write

1531
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:41,780
papers for peer review so this this is a

1532
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,440
logical step forward for hard data

1533
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:46,880
monitoring their investigation of UFO

1534
01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:49,970
hotspot areas and it's one thing to say

1535
01:09:55,780 --> 01:09:52,940
yeah I was in I was in some special ops

1536
01:09:59,140 --> 01:09:55,790
group and I you know I when I was in my

1537
01:10:00,040 --> 01:09:59,150
early 20s I autopsy 3,000 aliens it's

1538
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:00,050
another thing to get

1539
01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:03,050
magnetic-gravitational and you know

1540
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:05,470
light spectra information from a

1541
01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:08,690
youthful article event times three

1542
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,420
now when you say triangulate how how

1543
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:13,280
what type of distance are we talking

1544
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,970
apart well it depends on where our exact

1545
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:18,320
locations are gonna be this is still to

1546
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:20,330
be worked out but we're talking about a

1547
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:31,540
in the valley is really neat because

1548
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,890
it's an open Valley there's no there's

1549
01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:35,840
no trees there's very few trees or

1550
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:38,600
anything to block the view and then our

1551
01:10:42,089 --> 01:10:39,369
main

1552
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:42,099
camera is gonna be 60 70 feet up on a

1553
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:48,070
cell tower now has anyone ever got a

1554
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:51,010
really good video of events that have

1555
01:10:57,149 --> 01:10:53,860
happened there in the valley really good

1556
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,159
video no I did have some very very

1557
01:11:02,040 --> 01:10:59,040
compelling video that was taken in to

1558
01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:02,050
1995 of course it was stolen from the

1559
01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:04,030
mail Priority Mail ensured the whole

1560
01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:07,960
deal yeah that's the guy the postmaster

1561
01:11:12,419 --> 01:11:09,940
that my post office didn't even know

1562
01:11:14,669 --> 01:11:12,429
where the forum was to report a missing

1563
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:14,679
package that had been registered in and

1564
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:16,900
the whole thing he was I I've never had

1565
01:11:21,899 --> 01:11:20,080
this before that was really good footage

1566
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:21,909
it was of a translucent object that was

1567
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:24,210
hovering over the center of the valley

1568
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:27,310
you know I sent it to sightings the TV

1569
01:11:33,209 --> 01:11:31,080
show and sorry Chris it never arrived so

1570
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:33,219
and nobody signed for it it just

1571
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:36,790
disappeared in the ethers go figure

1572
01:11:41,879 --> 01:11:39,730
I have night vision footage of third

1573
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:41,889
generation night-vision footage of 13

1574
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:44,770
objects two groups one of seven one of

1575
01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:47,340
six that come together from different

1576
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:49,900
directions and then come together and

1577
01:11:54,899 --> 01:11:52,719
merge for a while and then split and

1578
01:11:57,390 --> 01:11:54,909
take take off some of them hover some go

1579
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,400
backwards we were less than four or five

1580
01:12:02,100 --> 01:11:59,440
miles away it was eight below zero when

1581
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:02,110
we took the footage and there was

1582
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:04,810
absolutely not a single sound and these

1583
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:06,670
things were close and I've been holding

1584
01:12:11,220 --> 01:12:08,710
on to this for quite a number of years

1585
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:11,230
I've most of my footage that I've taken

1586
01:12:15,810 --> 01:12:13,540
has ended up on some TV show or another

1587
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:15,820
over the years this particular footage

1588
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:19,570
I've been holding on to so you actually

1589
01:12:23,459 --> 01:12:21,730
saw this particularly this is something

1590
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:23,469
I took I took it myself

1591
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:25,690
13 objects it's the most I've ever seen

1592
01:12:31,530 --> 01:12:27,550
in a single event Wow

1593
01:12:34,410 --> 01:12:31,540
now do you when you were in Colorado to

1594
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:34,420
juice Bend like hours and hours and

1595
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:38,230
hours like sky watching so to speak yeah

1596
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:40,540
I did when things were happening yeah I

1597
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:42,610
did I spent a lot of time out I've seen

1598
01:12:48,839 --> 01:12:45,489
personally dozens and dozens of events I

1599
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:48,849
had a phone tree set up in a network of

1600
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:50,409
sky watchers and we would alert each

1601
01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:51,210
other when things

1602
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,630
going on I had as many as 17 reports in

1603
01:13:00,380 --> 01:12:58,080
a single day so give me an idea of how

1604
01:13:02,690 --> 01:13:00,390
active it got now is it is it am I

1605
01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:02,700
thinking of the right place or their UFO

1606
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:04,950
Watchtower in the valley yeah it's so

1607
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:07,470
yeah it's right out right in the center

1608
01:13:12,170 --> 01:13:09,930
of the valley in fact one of our camera

1609
01:13:14,690 --> 01:13:12,180
locations is theoretically going to be

1610
01:13:17,570 --> 01:13:14,700
very close to that it is a perfect place

1611
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:17,580
to put a UFO Watchtower unfortunately

1612
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:20,040
Judy the crazy lady that lives down the

1613
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:22,290
road as the title of her book it's very

1614
01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:26,310
appropriate to a my dad she is not

1615
01:13:31,190 --> 01:13:28,470
interested in doing the kind of you know

1616
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:31,200
real meticulous documentation of date

1617
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:34,500
time event witness names location you

1618
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:36,600
know a nice description of the event she

1619
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:39,570
likes to collect stories and she's got a

1620
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:42,060
bunch of them that she's collected over

1621
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:45,930
the years and yeah it's you know people

1622
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:46,980
have asked me well what do you think of

1623
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,930
the UFO Watchtower I say well you know

1624
01:13:53,060 --> 01:13:50,340
if I was gonna put a UFO Watchtower

1625
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:53,070
someplace that would be where I'd put it

1626
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,290
because it is front rows yeah I actually

1627
01:14:02,620 --> 01:14:00,480
had her on the show one time way back

1628
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:02,630
but are there actually people that do

1629
01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:10,860
see ya there so she by donation if you

1630
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:12,390
want to stay at her little campground I

1631
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:14,190
think she charges for a hook-up and

1632
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:16,610
stuff but it's been a while since I've

1633
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,580
visited hello Judy she's she's a real

1634
01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:23,040
character yeah so again we're taking

1635
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,840
calls if anyone would like to call in

1636
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:27,600
let's see Bobby who can't call in

1637
01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:30,930
because he's working anybody's he can

1638
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:33,750
type anyway while he's working wasn't

1639
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:36,210
Chris watching a game during the Phoenix

1640
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:40,530
sightings I was I was working I was

1641
01:14:47,540 --> 01:14:43,620
living in Colorado in March of 97 and in

1642
01:14:49,820 --> 01:14:47,550
February my brother and I had a Adobe

1643
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:49,830
plastering company and we would do real

1644
01:14:55,490 --> 01:14:52,620
super high quality adobe natural adobe

1645
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:55,500
finishes and one of the Maricopa County

1646
01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:00,960
Commissioners Dali Archuleta her at your

1647
01:15:05,210 --> 01:15:01,440
area

1648
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:05,220
she got a variance from the building

1649
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:08,010
and to build a straw bale in Maricopa

1650
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:10,410
County so we were called down to to do

1651
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:12,210
all the finish work and so we spent two

1652
01:15:17,420 --> 01:15:14,760
months down there and right in the

1653
01:15:19,460 --> 01:15:17,430
middle of our of our you know work two

1654
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:19,470
months work period I was getting ready

1655
01:15:24,860 --> 01:15:21,510
to following day to go have dinner with

1656
01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:24,870
Steven Greer and Tom a king and Jim

1657
01:15:29,930 --> 01:15:28,110
dalit Oso and sherry adamak some friends

1658
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:29,940
who were down there we were all gonna

1659
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:32,010
get together I think was March 18th and

1660
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:33,150
on March 17th

1661
01:15:38,150 --> 01:15:35,100
I was watching Arizona State in the

1662
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:38,160
sweet sweet 16 I think and we were

1663
01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:40,050
inside our motel room watching the game

1664
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:42,060
and and we were hearing whooping and

1665
01:15:45,230 --> 01:15:43,770
hollering coming from outside you know

1666
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:45,240
it's other rooms we thought you know hey

1667
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:47,100
other people are watching the game

1668
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:48,690
because it was Arizona I was down in

1669
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:50,820
Arizona I was in Casa Grande which is

1670
01:15:59,240 --> 01:15:53,940
between Phoenix and Tucson right on i-10

1671
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,250
there and and then right they burst into

1672
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:00,960
the game you know during the I think was

1673
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:02,100
at the end of the third quarter or

1674
01:16:06,260 --> 01:16:04,410
whatever and they said oh we have this

1675
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,270
special news bulletin you know I'm

1676
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:07,920
standing here in front of the Strela

1677
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:09,450
Mountains and look behind me you see

1678
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:12,330
these strange lights and and we're

1679
01:16:15,140 --> 01:16:13,650
thinking wait a minute that's going on

1680
01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:15,150
just up the road so we all ran outside

1681
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:17,790
and there are people out there going oh

1682
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,800
man you should get too bad you weren't

1683
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:21,540
out here about the or 20 minutes ago

1684
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:25,170
they flew right over and we're like we

1685
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:27,060
were inside watching the NCAA you know

1686
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:29,100
sweet 16 I missed it a flew right over

1687
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:33,060
the motels so oh well that job I'm sure

1688
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:37,560
you probably heard who was it that was

1689
01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:40,050
flying their airplane Kurt Russell yeah

1690
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:45,030
yeah I did it but that there's there's

1691
01:16:49,130 --> 01:16:46,620
so there's still a lot of confusion

1692
01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:49,140
about that because a lot of the film

1693
01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:50,760
that you see out there is actually the

1694
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:53,790
flares wait I don't know if there's any

1695
01:16:58,580 --> 01:16:56,370
real so I know you would think with

1696
01:17:00,620 --> 01:16:58,590
10,000 people approximately would see

1697
01:17:02,750 --> 01:17:00,630
something somebody would even pre

1698
01:17:05,420 --> 01:17:02,760
cellphone some people were out there

1699
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:05,430
because of hale-bopp

1700
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:10,080
yeah help help up yeah and so they were

1701
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:12,330
out watching that and you couldn't ask

1702
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:15,690
for more of an audience really go figure

1703
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,250
yeah Ron Regehr

1704
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,440
who helped to design our DSP spy

1705
01:17:24,230 --> 01:17:22,320
satellite wrote the engineering manuals

1706
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:24,240
for the I think the optical portion of

1707
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:26,970
the satellite he actually checked the

1708
01:17:32,150 --> 01:17:29,610
logs for that night and there was an

1709
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:32,160
event log that started in Henderson

1710
01:17:37,340 --> 01:17:34,380
Nevada and went all the way down the

1711
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:37,350
Prescott Valley and then kind of made a

1712
01:17:42,650 --> 01:17:40,170
slight turn to the direct south over

1713
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:42,660
Phoenix went down to Tucson then made a

1714
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,450
right angle turn and went off to the

1715
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:47,040
west towards Yuma and then it

1716
01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:48,770
disappeared down around the club water

1717
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,470
for two Akaka and the Goldwater gunnery

1718
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:54,840
range down there well top the mountains

1719
01:18:02,320 --> 01:17:58,020
the last time I had a Peter Davenport on

1720
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:02,330
the show he was telling me that when he

1721
01:18:07,670 --> 01:18:05,250
was getting calls about the Phoenix

1722
01:18:10,460 --> 01:18:07,680
lights he said that there was someone

1723
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:10,470
that was estimating it at being up to

1724
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:13,530
eight miles wide did you hear people

1725
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:17,010
talk about the size of it yeah I - miles

1726
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:20,910
is about I think what what what is the

1727
01:18:27,050 --> 01:18:24,080
closest approximation in terms of taking

1728
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,060
everybody's everybody's descriptions I

1729
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:29,520
think two miles are being to be the most

1730
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:31,800
accurate which is absolutely crazy if

1731
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:34,950
you think about that's ours

1732
01:18:38,900 --> 01:18:37,230
yeah the argument that you know people

1733
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:38,910
say that it was probably something

1734
01:18:43,220 --> 01:18:41,370
military I mean it doesn't really make

1735
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:43,230
any sense so I had someone on the show

1736
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:44,760
recently that says you know where would

1737
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:46,710
they how was something that was two

1738
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:49,410
miles well if it was yeah I mean if it

1739
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:50,610
was lighter than air

1740
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,100
you could you could theoretically house

1741
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:55,920
something like that just deflate it but

1742
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:58,140
or take the the helium out whatever I

1743
01:19:02,630 --> 01:18:59,520
get yeah whatever the lighter-than-air

1744
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:02,640
gas was but it was a physical object

1745
01:19:08,690 --> 01:19:04,980
according to Ron Regehr and you know

1746
01:19:11,380 --> 01:19:08,700
he's someone that was above there would

1747
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:11,390
be no reason for him to to fabricate a

1748
01:19:16,980 --> 01:19:14,350
claim like that right right

1749
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:16,990
a little close to the mics here all

1750
01:19:23,190 --> 01:19:21,490
right and so let's talk about your you

1751
01:19:24,510 --> 01:19:23,200
took you talking about this camera a

1752
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:24,520
unit that you want to get out there

1753
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:26,050
what's the name and where can someone I

1754
01:19:30,150 --> 01:19:27,670
know it's on your website right someone

1755
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:30,160
can go see that you know we're at the

1756
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:32,290
point right now where we're finishing up

1757
01:19:37,980 --> 01:19:34,980
the the triangulation software

1758
01:19:39,780 --> 01:19:37,990
programming which will be for the next

1759
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:39,790
couple three weeks then we're going to

1760
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:43,360
have a GoFundMe campaign to pay for the

1761
01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:45,250
rest of the equipment and that'll be

1762
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:48,120
starting in about three to four weeks

1763
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:51,730
right around the end of July third to

1764
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:54,280
fourth week of July and then I'm slated

1765
01:20:00,810 --> 01:19:56,110
to go out in August out to the valley

1766
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:00,820
and get the initial installation process

1767
01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:03,310
going and with money I can pay people

1768
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:05,080
and not have to rely on people's you

1769
01:20:09,690 --> 01:20:08,050
know doing favors for me or you know

1770
01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:09,700
dragging their feet it's it's been a

1771
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:12,820
12-year process of relying on people's

1772
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:17,860
you know doing new favors and and I just

1773
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:20,320
would rather go out there with a budget

1774
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,510
you know and and be sitting there

1775
01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:24,400
tapping my foot looking at my watch

1776
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:28,600
while people are you know getting paid

1777
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:30,340
to do what needs to be done and that is

1778
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:32,410
my client hours and and get these things

1779
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:36,130
in yeah you know speaking of projects

1780
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,360
and funding and all that up just

1781
01:20:42,230 --> 01:20:39,760
wondering if any listener that hears

1782
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:42,240
this knows any updates on the CubeSat

1783
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:44,890
the CubeSat was supposed to be launched

1784
01:20:50,340 --> 01:20:46,450
they raised I think twenty thousand

1785
01:20:51,630 --> 01:20:50,350
dollars through a fund situation and all

1786
01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:51,640
these people were getting a lot of air

1787
01:20:56,340 --> 01:20:53,470
time and I haven't heard a single thing

1788
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:56,350
so if anyone has information about that

1789
01:21:00,900 --> 01:20:58,570
you can actually call in if you're

1790
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:00,910
listening live or send me an email at

1791
01:21:06,420 --> 01:21:04,210
Martin at podcast UFO comm that was only

1792
01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:06,430
what for just a few months so right

1793
01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:08,680
right but it was to go up we have a

1794
01:21:13,050 --> 01:21:10,840
caller caller thanks for calling in

1795
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:13,060
please give us your first name and where

1796
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:16,960
you calling from hey Martin this is Ryan

1797
01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:18,760
from South Carolina oh hey Ryan how are

1798
01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:21,720
ya hey you do okay I call it a bad time

1799
01:21:27,959 --> 01:21:25,150
no no I'll call it oh good I don't know

1800
01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:27,969
one sure if there was a good spot yeah

1801
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:30,670
ya know you have a question for our

1802
01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:38,340
about going back to the cattle

1803
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:42,280
mutilations and I kind of apologize

1804
01:21:46,530 --> 01:21:44,650
because I was distracted early on in the

1805
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:46,540
show from something else and I assume

1806
01:21:52,410 --> 01:21:49,090
your guest leaves the cattle mutilations

1807
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:52,420
are from our firm aliens is that am i

1808
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:54,730
understanding that correctly that's what

1809
01:21:59,729 --> 01:21:57,610
the popular perception is because of the

1810
01:22:02,580 --> 01:21:59,739
efforts of Linda Moulton Howe and Chuck

1811
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,590
Zukowski margie kay and others that have

1812
01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:05,199
been touting this explanation as the the

1813
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:08,230
go-to rationale for these cattle to be

1814
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:09,489
discovered in the in the shape that

1815
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:12,010
they're discovered in and I I disagree I

1816
01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:14,050
I've looked at all the data that's

1817
01:22:21,780 --> 01:22:17,620
available and the cases that you can

1818
01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:21,790
even equate weird lights or some sort of

1819
01:22:30,990 --> 01:22:26,620
craft or just you know maybe 10% at the

1820
01:22:34,170 --> 01:22:31,000
hit the most the other 90% are in my

1821
01:22:38,610 --> 01:22:34,180
estimation done by humans very very

1822
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:38,620
skillful excisions but done by sharp

1823
01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:42,489
cutting implements not many animals are

1824
01:22:46,620 --> 01:22:44,260
drained a blood for instance this course

1825
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:46,630
there's the the popular misconception

1826
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:49,210
that all these animals are drained of

1827
01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:51,850
blood and and that aliens are gathering

1828
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:55,960
blood and fluids for hybridization of

1829
01:23:03,540 --> 01:22:59,199
their dying race and stuff and one thing

1830
01:23:05,010 --> 01:23:03,550
about about the blood that is something

1831
01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:05,020
you do hear a lot of people talk about

1832
01:23:09,630 --> 01:23:07,000
that but I want to ask you is it because

1833
01:23:11,850 --> 01:23:09,640
the naturally blood will settle to the

1834
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:11,860
bottom exactly it's called gravity

1835
01:23:15,570 --> 01:23:14,110
what's happening yeah I don't know how

1836
01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:15,580
many cases I went out and the rancher

1837
01:23:18,450 --> 01:23:16,780
says oh we are they're draining this

1838
01:23:20,939 --> 01:23:18,460
thing of blood and I go yeah

1839
01:23:23,550 --> 01:23:20,949
oh yeah and we'll flip the thing over in

1840
01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:23,560
a whoosh it'll all come out if you cut

1841
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:25,960
into the meat in the meatus is slightly

1842
01:23:30,780 --> 01:23:29,199
pink but but mostly gray then the

1843
01:23:33,420 --> 01:23:30,790
animals been drained of blood now I have

1844
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:33,430
had some cases where the animals been

1845
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:35,890
drained of blood but they're rare in the

1846
01:23:40,630 --> 01:23:38,530
exception the whole idea that that

1847
01:23:42,970 --> 01:23:40,640
aliens are coming to

1848
01:23:44,980 --> 01:23:42,980
you know drain animals are blood and all

1849
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:44,990
this is to me is ludicrous

1850
01:23:48,850 --> 01:23:46,610
if they wanted that why don't they just

1851
01:23:51,610 --> 01:23:48,860
pick the lock on a on a slaughterhouse

1852
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:51,620
and go in at night and there's vats and

1853
01:23:58,900 --> 01:23:54,890
vats of blood in there it just does its

1854
01:24:02,200 --> 01:23:58,910
to me the alien theory is sensational

1855
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:02,210
it's mystery mongering we don't have the

1856
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:04,130
data to back it up there's no evidence

1857
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:07,040
whatsoever to support that particular

1858
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,800
conclusion but we have a ton evidence to

1859
01:24:13,870 --> 01:24:11,360
support the conclusion that humans are

1860
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:13,880
involved how about all the cases where

1861
01:24:18,580 --> 01:24:16,850
400-plus helicopter reports have been

1862
01:24:21,580 --> 01:24:18,590
filed or the cases where animals have

1863
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:21,590
been shot with firearms and mutilated or

1864
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:23,710
cases where we've had barbiturates

1865
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:27,920
coagulants anticoagulants mescaline in

1866
01:24:34,660 --> 01:24:29,690
one case in Arkansas

1867
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:34,670
nikka tides all kinds of different types

1868
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:38,450
of drugs and and other foreign

1869
01:24:42,970 --> 01:24:41,060
substances have been found when these

1870
01:24:45,220 --> 01:24:42,980
animals have been when they've done

1871
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:45,230
workups on these animals so there's a

1872
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:48,800
huge body of evidence that supports any

1873
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:51,370
other conclusion that has human beings

1874
01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:56,260
attached to it another question Ryan

1875
01:25:02,170 --> 01:24:58,850
yeah well just to follow up comment cuz

1876
01:25:04,030 --> 01:25:02,180
you know my if he said he thought this

1877
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:04,040
was from aliens you know my follow-up

1878
01:25:07,660 --> 01:25:05,750
question question was going to be you

1879
01:25:09,970 --> 01:25:07,670
know this if it's aliens I mean why do

1880
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:09,980
they always leave so much of it behind

1881
01:25:14,170 --> 01:25:12,110
you would think that yeah alien race

1882
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:14,180
coming here it would take the whole

1883
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:16,730
thing rather just take a little chunk

1884
01:25:20,620 --> 01:25:18,350
and go running off with and leave the

1885
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:20,630
rest because you know you're operating

1886
01:25:24,730 --> 01:25:23,210
under the assumption that you know they

1887
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:24,740
want to conceal their presence here I

1888
01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:26,360
mean obviously they don't announce it

1889
01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:27,590
well why would they take a chunk and

1890
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,270
then just leave the rest and jump in the

1891
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:31,040
ship and take off that's that's never

1892
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:33,530
made much sense to me well yeah and

1893
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:35,330
you're absolutely correct the very fact

1894
01:25:41,010 --> 01:25:37,910
that the animals are left behind creates

1895
01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:41,020
a scenario plausible deniability for

1896
01:25:45,190 --> 01:25:43,670
whatever human groups are involved in

1897
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:45,200
there are multiple groups by the way

1898
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:48,170
this isn't one human group I think

1899
01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:49,970
there's multiple groups with with

1900
01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:52,670
different agendas possibly overlapping

1901
01:25:58,630 --> 01:25:54,590
and the reason why they leave them

1902
01:26:01,390 --> 01:25:58,640
mind is very simple back in 70 71 when

1903
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:01,400
these cases really started to get get

1904
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,210
noticed and reported the animals were

1905
01:26:09,580 --> 01:26:07,760
being stolen and there was such an

1906
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:09,590
uproar in the ranching community that

1907
01:26:15,580 --> 01:26:12,920
you know helicopters were being fired at

1908
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:15,590
and you know the utility you know

1909
01:26:19,630 --> 01:26:17,330
powerline helicopters National Guard

1910
01:26:21,070 --> 01:26:19,640
helicopters were being targeted by

1911
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:21,080
ranches who were mad as hell and they

1912
01:26:25,780 --> 01:26:23,510
weren't gonna take it anymore and so in

1913
01:26:27,850 --> 01:26:25,790
in 72 we had not a single cattle

1914
01:26:29,890 --> 01:26:27,860
mutilation case and I think that's when

1915
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:29,900
they figured out that hey if we leave

1916
01:26:33,130 --> 01:26:32,030
the animals there there won't be a

1917
01:26:35,410 --> 01:26:33,140
police report

1918
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:35,420
there won't be grand theft you know

1919
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:37,490
there will be plausible deniability we

1920
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:39,500
can always say it was it was scavenging

1921
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:42,520
we can always say that we're blaming on

1922
01:26:49,210 --> 01:26:46,400
ritual cultism or or Satanists or

1923
01:26:52,270 --> 01:26:49,220
something and that that creates a veneer

1924
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:52,280
of fear and what can you accomplish by

1925
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:55,310
by going to a very patriotic portion of

1926
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,530
our population ranchers are some of the

1927
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:59,120
most militant people we have in our

1928
01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:01,520
country look at the the Bundy standoff

1929
01:27:07,210 --> 01:27:05,180
for instance ranches are more prone to

1930
01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:07,220
Paige you know being members of Patriot

1931
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,590
groups for instance so if you mutilate

1932
01:27:14,140 --> 01:27:11,600
their cows and leave them behind you're

1933
01:27:17,770 --> 01:27:14,150
also manipulating you know the society

1934
01:27:21,730 --> 01:27:17,780
you're actually creating fear and and

1935
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:21,740
you're you kind of creating a system of

1936
01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:24,650
control using paranoia and terror

1937
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:27,500
tactics bye-bye you know targeting

1938
01:27:31,780 --> 01:27:29,330
people's livestock so you know I think

1939
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:31,790
it's now you're not hearing about these

1940
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:34,130
cases very much ranches know that

1941
01:27:38,530 --> 01:27:36,170
there's no point in reporting them I

1942
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:38,540
think very very few cases now that occur

1943
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:41,600
being reported only the cases where the

1944
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,370
rancher thinks he's been victimized by

1945
01:27:50,110 --> 01:27:45,440
the government now are the ones that

1946
01:27:50,350 --> 01:27:50,120
tend to be reported very interesting all

1947
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:50,360
right

1948
01:27:56,710 --> 01:27:54,050
hey Ryan thanks for the call okay thanks

1949
01:28:00,190 --> 01:27:56,720
for taking it all right take care

1950
01:28:04,060 --> 01:28:00,200
calculate all right so in the chat Shane

1951
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:04,070
from Australia used to be on all the

1952
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:06,110
time it's good to see him in here he is

1953
01:28:09,810 --> 01:28:08,210
asking the ones that are not

1954
01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:09,820
drained of blood are there ever any

1955
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:12,980
toxicology reports on the animals yeah

1956
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:15,610
yeah there are not as many as we'd like

1957
01:28:20,140 --> 01:28:18,560
normally these animals aren't found for

1958
01:28:21,790 --> 01:28:20,150
at least two or three or four days and

1959
01:28:24,340 --> 01:28:21,800
and so by the time that they are found

1960
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:24,350
usually during the warmer months they

1961
01:28:28,150 --> 01:28:25,850
were already starting to rot and go

1962
01:28:30,370 --> 01:28:28,160
necrotic and so there's no point in

1963
01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:30,380
attempting to try to you know do an e

1964
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:31,780
crop C or

1965
01:28:37,060 --> 01:28:34,550
call a pathologist to come out and look

1966
01:28:38,590 --> 01:28:37,070
at the annual you know let's face it the

1967
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:38,600
rancher has already lost his investment

1968
01:28:44,110 --> 01:28:41,090
why would he spend hundreds of dollars

1969
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,120
on a lost investment so it's it's very

1970
01:28:50,170 --> 01:28:47,120
ingenious the way the thing unfolds it's

1971
01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:50,180
it's almost self nullifying in in many

1972
01:28:56,110 --> 01:28:54,230
ways yeah amazing the whole thing is is

1973
01:28:59,170 --> 01:28:56,120
bizarre and when I had never heard

1974
01:29:01,240 --> 01:28:59,180
before until tonight about you know

1975
01:29:05,530 --> 01:29:01,250
going back in history so far yeah you

1976
01:29:08,650 --> 01:29:05,540
know that there there was and I think

1977
01:29:13,229 --> 01:29:08,660
for someone that is plain skeptical most

1978
01:29:16,570 --> 01:29:13,239
people will claim that it was say

1979
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:16,580
scavenger or something but you have

1980
01:29:23,260 --> 01:29:20,050
actually seen with your own eyes the

1981
01:29:25,390 --> 01:29:23,270
precision cutting yeah that can't be

1982
01:29:28,150 --> 01:29:25,400
well the first thing I look for it

1983
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:28,160
number one is is cut hair follicles it

1984
01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:30,410
doesn't matter what kind of scavenger it

1985
01:29:36,729 --> 01:29:34,550
is insect bird you know the foreleg

1986
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:36,739
environment whatever they're not going

1987
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:38,239
to be able to cut hair in a straight

1988
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:41,210
line you know coyotes have really bad

1989
01:29:45,670 --> 01:29:43,010
breath but not that bad they they're not

1990
01:29:48,190 --> 01:29:45,680
that talented and birds they can't they

1991
01:29:52,090 --> 01:29:48,200
can't cut hair follicles in a straight

1992
01:29:54,670 --> 01:29:52,100
line they tear the flesh in between the

1993
01:29:56,860 --> 01:29:54,680
hair and so the first thing I do and

1994
01:29:59,100 --> 01:29:56,870
I've been trying to get our you know

1995
01:30:03,820 --> 01:29:59,110
these newer johnny-come-lately

1996
01:30:06,970 --> 01:30:03,830
investigators to to to wake up and use

1997
01:30:08,770 --> 01:30:06,980
some very very good you know field

1998
01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:08,780
investigative techniques to determine

1999
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:10,550
the highest range nature of a case and

2000
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:12,800
if the thing has cut hair follicles

2001
01:30:19,150 --> 01:30:15,410
something with intelligence and with

2002
01:30:21,850 --> 01:30:19,160
tools did that and the other thing that

2003
01:30:23,859 --> 01:30:21,860
I used to do is when I would arrive at

2004
01:30:27,220 --> 01:30:23,869
mutilation site the more pristine the

2005
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:27,230
better obviously the first investigator

2006
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:29,050
out of the out of the vehicle would be

2007
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:33,110
my brother's pyrenees dog and kato would

2008
01:30:38,770 --> 01:30:35,570
go out and immediately investigate the

2009
01:30:41,470 --> 01:30:38,780
entire scene and we very carefully note

2010
01:30:44,740 --> 01:30:41,480
all his animal reactions to the animal

2011
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:44,750
and we'd uh and we would make notes

2012
01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:47,330
where he pissed because that would tell

2013
01:30:51,790 --> 01:30:49,909
us exactly where the Coyotes were and so

2014
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:51,800
then we'd be able to instantly zero in

2015
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:54,320
on any coyote tracks and find out how

2016
01:31:03,609 --> 01:30:56,960
how close they came to to the actual

2017
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:03,619
scene around the animal so yeah animals

2018
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:06,110
especially dogs they could smell some

2019
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:09,040
dogs and small parts per trillion and

2020
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,409
quite a number of cases Kato you know

2021
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,960
who normally is out he's a great

2022
01:31:19,540 --> 01:31:16,639
pyrenees he's he's not afraid of

2023
01:31:21,250 --> 01:31:19,550
anything anything at all and the very

2024
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,260
few cases where he would go out and he'd

2025
01:31:26,169 --> 01:31:23,600
get downwind of the thing and he'd you

2026
01:31:29,379 --> 01:31:26,179
could see the hair standing up and he'd

2027
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:29,389
come back to the car yeah for the truck

2028
01:31:35,770 --> 01:31:32,960
I should say and yeah there was only a

2029
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:35,780
few but most of the time he would have

2030
01:31:40,660 --> 01:31:37,489
no fear at all and he'd be drun around

2031
01:31:42,970 --> 01:31:40,670
and anyplace account he would be on a

2032
01:31:45,609 --> 01:31:42,980
bush or something he he would have to

2033
01:31:48,490 --> 01:31:45,619
add his little postcard or whatever so

2034
01:31:52,510 --> 01:31:48,500
how many cases that have you actually

2035
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:52,520
physically investigated that did have

2036
01:32:00,040 --> 01:31:56,080
cut hair follicles like you're saying

2037
01:32:03,629 --> 01:32:00,050
it's it's it's tough to say without

2038
01:32:10,300 --> 01:32:07,689
probably at least a dozen 15 maybe that

2039
01:32:14,109 --> 01:32:10,310
had actual cut hair follicles there were

2040
01:32:18,340 --> 01:32:14,119
a few others that it was it was

2041
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:18,350
equivocal there were a few but not it's

2042
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:19,489
the cases that happened in the

2043
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:21,199
wintertime when the horse when the horse

2044
01:32:27,490 --> 01:32:24,409
of the cow when their hair is long then

2045
01:32:28,990 --> 01:32:27,500
you can tell easily when it's during the

2046
01:32:32,260 --> 01:32:29,000
warmer months it's a little bit more

2047
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:32,270
difficult to tell and quite frankly I

2048
01:32:39,490 --> 01:32:34,130
really didn't like

2049
01:32:41,229 --> 01:32:39,500
getting as close to the incisional areas

2050
01:32:43,689 --> 01:32:41,239
as you have to get to really determine

2051
01:32:45,490 --> 01:32:43,699
that and it's my least favorite thing to

2052
01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:45,500
do in the world be around a thousand

2053
01:32:50,770 --> 01:32:48,590
pounds of rotting animal flesh it's not

2054
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:50,780
for everybody right right so we have a

2055
01:32:55,450 --> 01:32:52,489
caller on the line caller your first

2056
01:32:57,729 --> 01:32:55,460
name where you calling from hi guys it's

2057
01:33:00,399 --> 01:32:57,739
Andy from Stratford Connecticut how you

2058
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:00,409
doing hi Andy welcome to the show

2059
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:02,810
you have a market show what's that yeah

2060
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:05,449
I just wanted to hear I'm always

2061
01:33:11,470 --> 01:33:08,000
interested to hear in experts thoughts

2062
01:33:14,379 --> 01:33:11,480
on what what their opinion is on the

2063
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:14,389
connection between as I'd asked earlier

2064
01:33:19,660 --> 01:33:15,679
in the chatroom

2065
01:33:22,510 --> 01:33:19,670
these military you know rural farming

2066
01:33:27,850 --> 01:33:22,520
sites and ranches is what the connection

2067
01:33:33,490 --> 01:33:27,860
might be they all share things in common

2068
01:33:35,950 --> 01:33:33,500
Native American tribe military rural you

2069
01:33:37,689 --> 01:33:35,960
know and so on and I'll take your answer

2070
01:33:39,419 --> 01:33:37,699
off the air but just want to know if

2071
01:33:41,919 --> 01:33:39,429
what he thinks the connection might be

2072
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:41,929
that's it thanks guys thank you thanks

2073
01:33:48,010 --> 01:33:44,449
for the call all righty sure well I've

2074
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,020
talked about a formula that I've kind of

2075
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:50,960
adopted from dr. Lewis turi

2076
01:33:56,410 --> 01:33:53,510
who came up with was a kind of a rough

2077
01:33:59,200 --> 01:33:56,420
idea of how to identify a hot spot area

2078
01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:59,210
or an area that has more activity in a

2079
01:34:04,419 --> 01:34:01,520
variety and intensity of activity more

2080
01:34:07,540 --> 01:34:04,429
than other areas you know like Sedona is

2081
01:34:09,370 --> 01:34:07,550
the Verde Valley area they're the San

2082
01:34:14,050 --> 01:34:09,380
Luis Valley parts of the Hudson River

2083
01:34:17,410 --> 01:34:14,060
Valley around white sands in New Mexico

2084
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:17,420
you went to base and around Mount Adams

2085
01:34:21,459 --> 01:34:19,010
around Mount Shasta

2086
01:34:26,260 --> 01:34:21,469
there are hotspot areas parts of the

2087
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:26,270
Mojave Joshua Tree etc and one thing

2088
01:34:30,729 --> 01:34:28,310
that I found is that there are

2089
01:34:33,550 --> 01:34:30,739
commonalities that exists in all these

2090
01:34:35,740 --> 01:34:33,560
areas number one they have a history of

2091
01:34:38,140 --> 01:34:35,750
unusual occurrences that go back into

2092
01:34:40,060 --> 01:34:38,150
prehistory there there are Native

2093
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:40,070
American legends about either flying

2094
01:34:44,959 --> 01:34:43,010
seedpods flying shields sky people

2095
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:44,969
Kachinas

2096
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:47,760
there are waves of unexplained activity

2097
01:34:54,459 --> 01:34:51,030
that ebb and flow through the area there

2098
01:34:57,129 --> 01:34:54,469
are Native American sacred sites that

2099
01:34:59,569 --> 01:34:57,139
there's unusual geophysical properties

2100
01:35:01,879 --> 01:34:59,579
like we were talking about before the

2101
01:35:03,049 --> 01:35:01,889
proximity of minimum/maximum field

2102
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:03,059
strength in the Earth's magnetic field

2103
01:35:11,419 --> 01:35:07,760
gravitational loes areas where you have

2104
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:11,429
earthquake faults that sort of thing and

2105
01:35:15,979 --> 01:35:14,130
there is a government presence the

2106
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:15,989
government is definitely interested in

2107
01:35:22,279 --> 01:35:18,090
these areas whether they have facilities

2108
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:22,289
there whether they do training routes

2109
01:35:26,779 --> 01:35:25,440
there they always seem to have an

2110
01:35:30,109 --> 01:35:26,789
interest in the area and they're trying

2111
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:30,119
to get more control of the airspace of

2112
01:35:35,149 --> 01:35:33,690
the actual land itself Bradshaw ranch in

2113
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:35,159
Sedona was appropriated by the

2114
01:35:40,819 --> 01:35:37,650
government there's areas in the Uintah

2115
01:35:42,049 --> 01:35:40,829
Basin that seemed to have unusual

2116
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:42,059
amounts of military interest in

2117
01:35:46,969 --> 01:35:44,130
government interest so if you put those

2118
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:46,979
five different things together and an

2119
01:35:50,689 --> 01:35:49,199
area has and features all five of those

2120
01:35:52,219 --> 01:35:50,699
things you have a hotspot area and

2121
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:52,229
that's a place where I'd like to get a

2122
01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:54,510
triangulated camera and you know

2123
01:36:01,009 --> 01:35:57,630
instrumented scientific instrument array

2124
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:01,019
set up there ultimately we're hoping to

2125
01:36:04,879 --> 01:36:02,489
have these things spread out all around

2126
01:36:07,100 --> 01:36:04,889
North America in hotspot areas and then

2127
01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:07,110
branching out into other parts of the

2128
01:36:12,859 --> 01:36:09,420
world as well have you thought about how

2129
01:36:14,509 --> 01:36:12,869
to keep up any vandals away from you

2130
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,519
know like if someone's hiking and all of

2131
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:16,320
a sudden they come across this camera

2132
01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:18,210
they're gonna be curious they're gonna

2133
01:36:22,069 --> 01:36:20,760
be in secure areas you know there's none

2134
01:36:23,660 --> 01:36:22,079
of these things are gonna be out in the

2135
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:23,670
open just for somebody to stumble on

2136
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:27,300
they're gonna be you know either on

2137
01:36:32,899 --> 01:36:29,760
people's porches on their roofs on cell

2138
01:36:34,910 --> 01:36:32,909
towers and people what if the government

2139
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:34,920
decides to take it out and I say well

2140
01:36:40,009 --> 01:36:37,050
that's great I hope they do because then

2141
01:36:42,589 --> 01:36:40,019
that'll give me information they'll be

2142
01:36:45,919 --> 01:36:42,599
prompted to do that because I they think

2143
01:36:47,299 --> 01:36:45,929
I captured some data and if I captured

2144
01:36:49,250 --> 01:36:47,309
some data and they take the camera out

2145
01:36:51,469 --> 01:36:49,260
then that'll alert me to the fact that

2146
01:36:52,879 --> 01:36:51,479
I'm on to something so I think that

2147
01:36:54,979 --> 01:36:52,889
they're gonna try to fool us so I think

2148
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:54,989
they're gonna play cat-and-mouse I think

2149
01:36:58,130 --> 01:36:56,130
they're gonna see how much that they can

2150
01:37:01,570 --> 01:36:58,140
get away with whether we missing

2151
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:01,580
Turpin or you know somehow misconstrue

2152
01:37:07,220 --> 01:37:04,620
you know maybe some black project that

2153
01:37:09,110 --> 01:37:07,230
they they they tried out or maybe some

2154
01:37:11,420 --> 01:37:09,120
sort of hologram technology to see if it

2155
01:37:13,130 --> 01:37:11,430
fools us I think that I think they're

2156
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:13,140
gonna actually try to have some fun with

2157
01:37:18,860 --> 01:37:16,050
us and it's gonna be Tom and Jerry you

2158
01:37:20,330 --> 01:37:18,870
know the old cat-and-mouse game and I'm

2159
01:37:23,420 --> 01:37:20,340
looking forward to it I think it's great

2160
01:37:26,540 --> 01:37:23,430
if they do take it out if they zap it

2161
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,550
with a particle beam weapon or a laser

2162
01:37:30,980 --> 01:37:28,560
or something like that that means that

2163
01:37:33,740 --> 01:37:30,990
we found something and all we have to do

2164
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:33,750
is go back and look look at at our data

2165
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:36,210
and see what it is that that they got

2166
01:37:41,570 --> 01:37:38,850
them all nervous that harkens back to

2167
01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:41,580
the Paul bennewitz case in a way yeah

2168
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:43,350
you know that's what happened so yeah

2169
01:37:47,810 --> 01:37:45,840
yeah exactly with him you know because

2170
01:37:50,180 --> 01:37:47,820
he was seeing something maybe he had

2171
01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:50,190
nothing to do with UFOs but it

2172
01:37:54,590 --> 01:37:52,980
definitely had something to do with very

2173
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:54,600
strong interest well I think he was

2174
01:37:58,730 --> 01:37:56,250
picking up some of the early digital

2175
01:38:01,040 --> 01:37:58,740
burst transmissions as I think the audio

2176
01:38:03,190 --> 01:38:01,050
signals that he was picking up that's my

2177
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:03,200
guess because that was right when those

2178
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:06,780
when digitized you know super compressed

2179
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:09,810
blurt blips of digital data were being

2180
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:12,290
transmitted and I think that he may have

2181
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:14,370
accidentally stumbled on some of those

2182
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:17,130
some of his the colored photographs in

2183
01:38:23,020 --> 01:38:19,620
Chris Slam brights book Exodus sending

2184
01:38:25,850 --> 01:38:23,030
some of those color photographs of the

2185
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,860
lighting arrays that he was able to

2186
01:38:30,530 --> 01:38:27,840
photograph out over the Coyote Canyon

2187
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:30,540
area which is right you know where the

2188
01:38:35,420 --> 01:38:33,420
old Manzano weapons storage facility

2189
01:38:37,130 --> 01:38:35,430
we've had I think more nuclear weapons

2190
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:37,140
stored there than any other spot in

2191
01:38:43,460 --> 01:38:39,990
America I think that that's all very

2192
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:43,470
compelling stuff yeah yeah I know that

2193
01:38:48,730 --> 01:38:45,510
Cole extra sending what a great book

2194
01:38:51,290 --> 01:38:48,740
actually raised information ever that

2195
01:38:54,350 --> 01:38:51,300
yeah that's that's actually how I first

2196
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:54,360
met Chris I read his book and and we

2197
01:38:58,630 --> 01:38:55,650
stay in touch he's pretty he might be

2198
01:39:01,160 --> 01:38:58,640
listening he does listen to the show

2199
01:39:06,810 --> 01:39:01,170
okay I was just picking up what I

2200
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,820
thought was a question but so

2201
01:39:12,150 --> 01:39:08,800
you know and it's very unfortunate what

2202
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:12,160
happened to ball to Paul bennewitz and I

2203
01:39:17,730 --> 01:39:13,930
don't know if you've been following this

2204
01:39:20,490 --> 01:39:17,740
at all but I'm shocked by what Richard

2205
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:20,500
Doty is out there doing have you seen

2206
01:39:26,610 --> 01:39:23,890
any well we had him on the pair of

2207
01:39:29,370 --> 01:39:26,620
castle and yeah he did a full two hours

2208
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:29,380
I think it was the third show he ever

2209
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:31,210
did I think he did coast to coast twice

2210
01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:34,480
and then we did us Wow that was a real

2211
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:39,340
coup yeah and you know I mean Walter

2212
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:39,940
Bosley

2213
01:39:45,450 --> 01:39:43,210
is someone else it was you know xaf OSI

2214
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,460
and counterintelligence guy and you know

2215
01:39:49,230 --> 01:39:47,440
Walter's been very upfront saying look

2216
01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:49,240
there's some things that you know we

2217
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:52,420
just have to be on the lookout for if we

2218
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,210
think that you know China or Russia is

2219
01:39:59,550 --> 01:39:57,280
trying to trying to get information

2220
01:40:01,800 --> 01:39:59,560
about classified projects and we're

2221
01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:01,810
gonna have to you know mount our counter

2222
01:40:08,220 --> 01:40:04,870
surveillance efforts to ascertain

2223
01:40:10,620 --> 01:40:08,230
whether there's some you know industrial

2224
01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:10,630
or you know technological espionage

2225
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:13,990
going on and and so when someone like a

2226
01:40:17,550 --> 01:40:15,850
bennewitz comes along and and says look

2227
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:17,560
I got these recordings of these weird

2228
01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:20,530
audio signals and I've got these strange

2229
01:40:25,050 --> 01:40:22,510
photographs and the fact that he was

2230
01:40:29,550 --> 01:40:25,060
putting the analysis and spin on it that

2231
01:40:34,610 --> 01:40:29,560
it was et gave them a perfect you know

2232
01:40:37,410 --> 01:40:34,620
sort of way to approach him and and in

2233
01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:37,420
feed that fantasy to keep him away from

2234
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:39,580
thinking that maybe it's it's some sort

2235
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:42,190
of classified Air Force or project out

2236
01:40:44,190 --> 01:40:43,810
at Sandia there on Kirtland Air Force

2237
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,200
Base

2238
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:47,440
so going the extra yard and driving the

2239
01:40:52,460 --> 01:40:49,810
guy crazy and and moving his furniture

2240
01:40:54,990 --> 01:40:52,470
around which Doty denies by the way and

2241
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:55,000
and you know putting the groceries you

2242
01:40:59,640 --> 01:40:56,560
know out of one cabinet and the other

2243
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,650
some of the other things that Greg

2244
01:41:04,350 --> 01:41:01,840
Bishop mentioned and his very very good

2245
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:04,360
book project beta about the banner Woods

2246
01:41:08,370 --> 01:41:05,350
case all right

2247
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:08,380
III think that that was going a little

2248
01:41:12,910 --> 01:41:11,050
bit overboard myself and if somebody's a

2249
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:12,920
little twitchy to begin with and

2250
01:41:17,979 --> 01:41:16,250
prone to to maybe getting delusional and

2251
01:41:21,130 --> 01:41:17,989
developing mental ease you know health

2252
01:41:24,270 --> 01:41:21,140
issues I think I think it's the

2253
01:41:26,890 --> 01:41:24,280
responsibility of of counterintelligence

2254
01:41:30,220 --> 01:41:26,900
officials and officers and in case case

2255
01:41:32,020 --> 01:41:30,230
officers to you know to not be in a

2256
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:32,030
position to be able to be blamed for

2257
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:36,530
guys losing his you know his sanity it's

2258
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,890
very very unfortunate and there's you

2259
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:41,920
know you can't you can't make excuses to

2260
01:41:48,189 --> 01:41:45,520
you know to explain away that kind of

2261
01:41:50,530 --> 01:41:48,199
over overreach on the fact that by those

2262
01:41:52,510 --> 01:41:50,540
by the government so what type of

2263
01:41:55,900 --> 01:41:52,520
conversation did you have with Richard

2264
01:41:58,240 --> 01:41:55,910
Doty about Paul was he willing to speak

2265
01:42:00,610 --> 01:41:58,250
about what how you know yeah he in fact

2266
01:42:03,010 --> 01:42:00,620
he's he mentioned something I had

2267
01:42:04,090 --> 01:42:03,020
totally forgotten from Greg's book that

2268
01:42:07,060 --> 01:42:04,100
they noticed that there was somebody

2269
01:42:10,419 --> 01:42:07,070
watching them they're they're like

2270
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:10,429
surveilling bennewitz then they realized

2271
01:42:13,330 --> 01:42:11,420
there was a house across the street

2272
01:42:15,370 --> 01:42:13,340
that's that's empty that nobody lives in

2273
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:15,380
there's there's there's movement and

2274
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:17,870
stuff in there and so they they they did

2275
01:42:21,790 --> 01:42:20,030
a the only punk - it wasn't the found

2276
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:21,800
out it was the NSA or some other agency

2277
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:25,370
there was monitoring them so you don't

2278
01:42:36,010 --> 01:42:30,560
know how deep the rabbit-hole now but

2279
01:42:39,450 --> 01:42:36,020
the I watched some part of a of a movie

2280
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:39,460
I think it was a the latest Steven Greer

2281
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:41,210
movie

2282
01:42:52,900 --> 01:42:46,910
Lesa Lesa people baby watch it we forced

2283
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,910
me to watch it but Richard Doty is on

2284
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:54,800
there saying talking about like these

2285
01:43:03,820 --> 01:43:01,520
things are real aliens he was saying

2286
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,830
that - I mean come on once you're you

2287
01:43:09,490 --> 01:43:05,840
know in the business of lying for a

2288
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:09,500
living yeah you know how is anybody

2289
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:12,010
gonna take you seriously the whole serpo

2290
01:43:18,490 --> 01:43:15,110
thing that happened Victor Martinez if

2291
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:18,500
we ever gotten on on Victor the Wizards

2292
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:20,980
email list it's really tough to get off

2293
01:43:24,290 --> 01:43:23,330
you know he I don't know how many people

2294
01:43:26,839 --> 01:43:24,300
out there

2295
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:26,849
see know about the Serpa thing which is

2296
01:43:32,180 --> 01:43:28,770
if you remember back to close encounter

2297
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:32,190
of the Third Kind the the 13 astronauts

2298
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:34,110
in the orange jumpsuits that got aboard

2299
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,570
the ship the whole serpo thing is a

2300
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:39,360
story that surfaced in 2004 and 5 I

2301
01:43:45,049 --> 01:43:42,210
think that this actually happened and

2302
01:43:46,490 --> 01:43:45,059
that two of the people died and I think

2303
01:43:50,209 --> 01:43:46,500
one was left behind the two were left

2304
01:43:52,910 --> 01:43:50,219
behind serpo which is I think in Zeta

2305
01:44:01,370 --> 01:43:52,920
Reticuli it's just all about you just

2306
01:44:04,549 --> 01:44:01,380
you know how do you do that in it's it's

2307
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:04,559
it's all just I mean it's hide in your

2308
01:44:10,209 --> 01:44:06,780
grandma's basement with some Vaseline

2309
01:44:13,339 --> 01:44:10,219
material it's just not it's not worth

2310
01:44:16,129 --> 01:44:13,349
the paper it's printed on III there's so

2311
01:44:17,870 --> 01:44:16,139
many holes and that in and dodi of

2312
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:17,880
course he says oh I had nothing to do

2313
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:22,050
with that but the email that divulged

2314
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:23,610
the information correct me if I'm wrong

2315
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:26,250
here was they were able to trace it back

2316
01:44:33,069 --> 01:44:30,210
to him the original email that Martinez

2317
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:33,079
got or something like that I mean it's

2318
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,690
this stuff is so tawdry I really try to

2319
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:38,639
stay above the fray and not pay much

2320
01:44:43,370 --> 01:44:41,010
attention to it but and the dulce of

2321
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:43,380
course all all was another distraction

2322
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:46,050
yeah yeah that was all bennewitz being

2323
01:44:50,839 --> 01:44:48,449
led astray he said yo he flew up there

2324
01:44:53,839 --> 01:44:50,849
and saw a spaceship on the top of the

2325
01:44:56,209 --> 01:44:53,849
Mesa and I mean I lived pretty close to

2326
01:44:58,370 --> 01:44:56,219
Dulce for 14 years but there are some

2327
01:44:59,950 --> 01:44:58,380
weird things going on sure there's some

2328
01:45:02,990 --> 01:44:59,960
weird things going on there but the

2329
01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:03,000
thing that most people are familiar with

2330
01:45:07,580 --> 01:45:05,880
the ground race well that's that's all

2331
01:45:09,290 --> 01:45:07,590
that's for the outside people that's

2332
01:45:10,220 --> 01:45:09,300
just to keep everybody you know looking

2333
01:45:12,410 --> 01:45:10,230
in the wrong direction

2334
01:45:14,089 --> 01:45:12,420
the thing that spooks the Indians the

2335
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:14,099
most are the little two-foot dwarves

2336
01:45:18,649 --> 01:45:15,630
that are seen all over the place they're

2337
01:45:21,919 --> 01:45:18,659
in right in town they jump on cars in

2338
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:21,929
the parking lot of casino and in the

2339
01:45:24,939 --> 01:45:22,770
Bigfoot sightings

2340
01:45:27,020 --> 01:45:24,949
Hoyt Velarde who was the head of the

2341
01:45:29,020 --> 01:45:27,030
Department of Public Safety there for

2342
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:29,030
four years I've known him for many years

2343
01:45:34,339 --> 01:45:31,920
yeah he he went out he says on at least

2344
01:45:35,950 --> 01:45:34,349
a hundred Bigfoot reports including one

2345
01:45:38,850 --> 01:45:35,960
event that he had happen right the

2346
01:45:42,340 --> 01:45:38,860
up close and personal on his own ranch

2347
01:45:43,930 --> 01:45:42,350
so in when I was up there in 2009 I saw

2348
01:45:46,060 --> 01:45:43,940
some really good footage

2349
01:45:47,950 --> 01:45:46,070
I wish whoever it was and had the cell

2350
01:45:49,330 --> 01:45:47,960
phone footage would release it that's

2351
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:49,340
some of the best footage I've ever seen

2352
01:45:53,620 --> 01:45:51,290
thing ran right across the road it

2353
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,630
didn't look like some Indian drunk

2354
01:45:59,110 --> 01:45:56,719
Indian in a big Wookiee suit either I

2355
01:46:01,900 --> 01:45:59,120
mean it was impressive you could see the

2356
01:46:03,459 --> 01:46:01,910
whites of the underneath of the feet no

2357
01:46:05,979 --> 01:46:03,469
and it was running away and in the

2358
01:46:10,990 --> 01:46:05,989
headlights so you know the whole Dulce

2359
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:11,000
thing is to me is one of the weird

2360
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:14,930
things there I actually bill birnes

2361
01:46:19,660 --> 01:46:17,450
you know UFO Hunters you some people may

2362
01:46:24,130 --> 01:46:19,670
like that show some may not I personally

2363
01:46:27,970 --> 01:46:24,140
like bill birnes and he they saw the

2364
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:27,980
strange half cow half something else I

2365
01:46:34,780 --> 01:46:30,110
don't know if you ever saw that show but

2366
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:34,790
it was really really bizarre this it was

2367
01:46:40,330 --> 01:46:37,610
a cow gave birth yeah it was it was like

2368
01:46:42,700 --> 01:46:40,340
a genetic it was just a weird deform

2369
01:46:48,490 --> 01:46:42,710
calf I mean that's probably yeah yeah I

2370
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:48,500
mean you know I because of the way these

2371
01:46:56,380 --> 01:46:52,190
these animals you know some of them are

2372
01:46:59,440 --> 01:46:56,390
able to become friendly with their own

2373
01:47:01,930 --> 01:46:59,450
progeny and stuff you know occasionally

2374
01:47:03,850 --> 01:47:01,940
in some of these closed herds you'll

2375
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:03,860
you'll get some pretty interesting

2376
01:47:08,860 --> 01:47:07,489
genetic deformities and stuff and that's

2377
01:47:12,459 --> 01:47:08,870
all that we never want to rule that out

2378
01:47:16,290 --> 01:47:12,469
this is just like you know the atacama

2379
01:47:19,470 --> 01:47:16,300
baby it was definitely you know it's

2380
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:19,480
well that's a Steven Greer

2381
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:26,090
I'll see you he hasn't yet and if anyone

2382
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:28,489
looks really hard on YouTube you can

2383
01:47:37,180 --> 01:47:34,730
find a spoof I did on on Steven Greer on

2384
01:47:39,610 --> 01:47:37,190
the attic home of baby so just check it

2385
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:39,620
out on YouTube the only karaoke I've

2386
01:47:46,189 --> 01:47:42,410
ever done sounds like a rap song at a

2387
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:46,199
coma baby actually

2388
01:47:58,130 --> 01:47:50,250
whoops we just lost I just lost what you

2389
01:48:00,380 --> 01:47:58,140
do okay so here we're back okay I

2390
01:48:01,550 --> 01:48:00,390
thought we lost the connection here good

2391
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:01,560
good

2392
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:05,520
so on the topic of liars is Shane from

2393
01:48:11,570 --> 01:48:08,480
Australia again on the topic of liars

2394
01:48:17,919 --> 01:48:11,580
that's a good opening do have an opinion

2395
01:48:24,260 --> 01:48:21,200
document a documentary coming out on him

2396
01:48:26,810 --> 01:48:24,270
fairly so jeremy Korbel was doing I

2397
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:26,820
don't know what to make a Lazaro I think

2398
01:48:32,330 --> 01:48:30,000
he may have been profiled in his psych

2399
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:32,340
psych profiles I think he did work out

2400
01:48:38,660 --> 01:48:35,370
there I think he did have some

2401
01:48:41,330 --> 01:48:38,670
experiences but I think he may have day

2402
01:48:43,610 --> 01:48:41,340
may have set him up because he may be

2403
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:43,620
fit some sort of profile for someone

2404
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,900
that would see things and even though he

2405
01:48:50,689 --> 01:48:47,760
wasn't supposed to say anything about it

2406
01:48:53,419 --> 01:48:50,699
he may have come out in his profile that

2407
01:48:56,689 --> 01:48:53,429
he would talk so maybe he set him up for

2408
01:48:58,640 --> 01:48:56,699
some really good disinformation so he

2409
01:49:00,680 --> 01:48:58,650
would then approach John Lear and then a

2410
01:49:04,220 --> 01:49:00,690
you know approached George Knapp and

2411
01:49:08,300 --> 01:49:04,230
however that whole disclosure of those

2412
01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:08,310
area 51 secrets came out my eyes glaze

2413
01:49:14,270 --> 01:49:10,380
over when I when I hear the name Bob

2414
01:49:16,700 --> 01:49:14,280
Lazar Richard Doty or some of these

2415
01:49:18,140 --> 01:49:16,710
people I I mean I'm into the really

2416
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:18,150
trying to get to the bottom of this

2417
01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:22,230
stuff by exercising you know the powers

2418
01:49:26,780 --> 01:49:25,260
of diagnostic science the people's stuff

2419
01:49:29,390 --> 01:49:26,790
really leave me cold especially when

2420
01:49:33,530 --> 01:49:29,400
it's the government trying to get people

2421
01:49:36,620 --> 01:49:33,540
to propagate memes and and dis inform

2422
01:49:39,709 --> 01:49:36,630
the public I really have no time for

2423
01:49:42,020 --> 01:49:39,719
that there's someone that just wrote in

2424
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:42,030
I don't know if this is I don't have any

2425
01:49:46,610 --> 01:49:44,130
proof of this it's just so it's someone

2426
01:49:47,959 --> 01:49:46,620
wrote in the chat room and I'd like to

2427
01:49:51,169 --> 01:49:47,969
if someone can send me a link I'm

2428
01:49:53,930 --> 01:49:51,179
interested to see it that dr. Greer is

2429
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:53,940
accusing Noland of academic academic

2430
01:49:58,580 --> 01:49:57,840
fraud in is there's a court action

2431
01:50:00,169 --> 01:49:58,590
pending of

2432
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:00,179
someone could send that I'm interested

2433
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:05,159
is accusing who now Nolan was Martin

2434
01:50:08,300 --> 01:50:07,290
Nolan I think is I think I thought his

2435
01:50:10,580 --> 01:50:08,310
first name was that but it may be

2436
01:50:13,459 --> 01:50:10,590
something else he was one of the doctors

2437
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:13,469
involved out at Stanford that's right

2438
01:50:17,899 --> 01:50:15,210
yeah yeah yeah well good luck with that

2439
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:17,909
Stephen I've been telling Stephen at

2440
01:50:24,260 --> 01:50:20,489
least way back when I first met him over

2441
01:50:26,180 --> 01:50:24,270
25 years ago in fact I presented a

2442
01:50:28,100 --> 01:50:26,190
little talk about the San Luis Valley he

2443
01:50:30,459 --> 01:50:28,110
was visiting in the valley with some

2444
01:50:32,540 --> 01:50:30,469
super wealthy High Roller types

2445
01:50:35,060 --> 01:50:32,550
including Lawrence Rockefellers

2446
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:35,070
right-hand man and I had been fighting a

2447
01:50:39,020 --> 01:50:37,260
brushfire and was late and I was not in

2448
01:50:42,379 --> 01:50:39,030
a good mood and when I walked in and he

2449
01:50:44,810 --> 01:50:42,389
started in on his you know messianic

2450
01:50:48,919 --> 01:50:44,820
thing I interrupted him three times and

2451
01:50:54,500 --> 01:50:48,929
said Stephen your message is way more

2452
01:50:56,540 --> 01:50:54,510
important than you are and that's you

2453
01:50:59,390 --> 01:50:56,550
know people say what do you think about

2454
01:51:01,280 --> 01:50:59,400
Steven Greer his message is way more

2455
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:01,290
important than he is and who the hell

2456
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:03,449
elected him humankind's ambassador to

2457
01:51:08,540 --> 01:51:06,000
the universe and who gives him the right

2458
01:51:11,530 --> 01:51:08,550
to train people and charge them God

2459
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:11,540
godly ungodly amounts of money to become

2460
01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:14,130
humankind's ambassadors to the universe

2461
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:16,920
to be it's just you know it's called yes

2462
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:21,599
and yeah and to charge them for taking

2463
01:51:28,910 --> 01:51:24,480
pictures of the spaceship that you can't

2464
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:28,920
really see yeah well I you know don't

2465
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:31,010
get me you know that's will cocky and I

2466
01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:33,690
think now we're getting into the realm

2467
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:37,110
of the whistleblowers and you know

2468
01:51:43,970 --> 01:51:40,650
that's where I get in trouble when I

2469
01:51:47,899 --> 01:51:43,980
start talking about these these you know

2470
01:51:49,070 --> 01:51:47,909
PT Barnum types capitalizing on suckers

2471
01:51:52,189 --> 01:51:49,080
born every minute

2472
01:51:54,379 --> 01:51:52,199
I have no time for that BS we only have

2473
01:51:57,919 --> 01:51:54,389
a few minutes left but you you were

2474
01:52:00,919 --> 01:51:57,929
mentioning you're thinking that one of

2475
01:52:04,319 --> 01:52:00,929
the ones that you went and we got three

2476
01:52:07,959 --> 01:52:04,329
minutes to wrap here so

2477
01:52:12,010 --> 01:52:07,969
contact in the desert you you you're

2478
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:12,020
just seeing that things are just new age

2479
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:15,110
is that what it is it's it's people that

2480
01:52:21,459 --> 01:52:18,650
are so rapidly in the place of wanting

2481
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:21,469
to believe that they're looking for

2482
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,690
anything that supports some sort of

2483
01:52:28,330 --> 01:52:26,480
weird dysfunctional narrative that they

2484
01:52:31,930 --> 01:52:28,340
have in their brain about what's going

2485
01:52:34,299 --> 01:52:31,940
on and so David Wilcock and these others

2486
01:52:35,979 --> 01:52:34,309
are presenting people that are filling

2487
01:52:37,359 --> 01:52:35,989
in blanks and narratives that have

2488
01:52:39,310 --> 01:52:37,369
already false narratives that have

2489
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:39,320
already been presented and now these

2490
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:40,639
people are coming along and they're

2491
01:52:43,270 --> 01:52:42,770
filling in blanks they're there they're

2492
01:52:46,209 --> 01:52:43,280
there

2493
01:52:49,660 --> 01:52:46,219
fleshing out the the meme if you will

2494
01:52:51,490 --> 01:52:49,670
and it's all entertainment there's

2495
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:51,500
nothing to back any of this stuff up

2496
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,880
every Smith

2497
01:52:56,799 --> 01:52:55,040
show me your dd-214 your separation

2498
01:52:57,399 --> 01:52:56,809
agreement with me with the with the

2499
01:53:00,490 --> 01:52:57,409
government

2500
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,500
show me that let me see it tells you

2501
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:02,800
where you were how long you were there

2502
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:04,880
everybody that's been in the military

2503
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:08,480
house one where's yours 3,000 aliens you

2504
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:10,730
autopsy right and how old are you you

2505
01:53:17,020 --> 01:53:14,690
don't look like you're even 40 are you

2506
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:17,030
actually are you actually witnessing

2507
01:53:23,379 --> 01:53:20,719
them him saying this did you witness him

2508
01:53:26,649 --> 01:53:23,389
sighs just something you think I would

2509
01:53:28,450 --> 01:53:26,659
waste my precious time and listening to

2510
01:53:30,399 --> 01:53:28,460
this guy I just take cliff notes from

2511
01:53:33,549 --> 01:53:30,409
other people like oh you should heard

2512
01:53:36,609 --> 01:53:33,559
what you said you suppose the Newlands

2513
01:53:38,589 --> 01:53:36,619
it's like okay whatever

2514
01:53:40,060 --> 01:53:38,599
you know David Wilcock will come up with

2515
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:40,070
some you know Corey Goode was the last

2516
01:53:44,169 --> 01:53:42,650
one now we have Daenerys Smith and Pete

2517
01:53:46,810 --> 01:53:44,179
Peterson was the one before

2518
01:53:48,910 --> 01:53:46,820
Corey Goode and dan burisch was the one

2519
01:53:51,700 --> 01:53:48,920
before that this is all a bunch of

2520
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,710
disinformation BS as far as I could sir

2521
01:53:56,379 --> 01:53:53,599
there's no proof to back any of it up

2522
01:53:59,200 --> 01:53:56,389
there's always I think from the very

2523
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,210
beginning though in the UFOs in

2524
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:01,280
particular the contactee movement

2525
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:03,440
there's always been this sort of fringe

2526
01:54:07,060 --> 01:54:05,599
element that's all I think will always

2527
01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:07,070
be there for you do you think it's

2528
01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:11,860
growing yeah it's like a virus

2529
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:15,460
and what would you say to like the

2530
01:54:20,430 --> 01:54:17,650
listener to protect themselves from it

2531
01:54:23,399 --> 01:54:20,440
just you know for advice what would you

2532
01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:23,409
say well first of all you know question

2533
01:54:26,729 --> 01:54:24,550
everything yeah

2534
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:26,739
don't believe anything don't suspend

2535
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:28,510
your disbelief just because you want it

2536
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:29,290
to be true

2537
01:54:34,169 --> 01:54:32,320
number one dude Egypt diligence do your

2538
01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:34,179
research find people that you respect

2539
01:54:39,419 --> 01:54:37,300
and that are objective that aren't gonna

2540
01:54:42,660 --> 01:54:39,429
give you a bill of goods and fill your

2541
01:54:44,549 --> 01:54:42,670
head with with bad science fiction and

2542
01:54:46,589 --> 01:54:44,559
do your own research don't sit in your

2543
01:54:51,149 --> 01:54:46,599
arm chairs and believe and accept

2544
01:54:53,609 --> 01:54:51,159
everything at face value yeah yeah oh no

2545
01:54:56,850 --> 01:54:53,619
no I agree so if someone wanted to

2546
01:55:00,359 --> 01:54:56,860
contact you are you do you gauge with

2547
01:55:02,729 --> 01:55:00,369
yeah oh absolutely yeah go to our

2548
01:55:06,350 --> 01:55:02,739
strange planet calm it's a strange

2549
01:55:08,879 --> 01:55:06,360
planet Martin it's our strange planet

2550
01:55:10,530 --> 01:55:08,889
and then very soon we'll have some

2551
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:10,540
announcements about the GoFundMe

2552
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:12,639
campaign for the San Luis Valley

2553
01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:15,760
monitoring project and also we're going

2554
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:18,880
to have a website and the streaming you

2555
01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:21,250
know the the the actual images the

2556
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:24,659
patrol function will be screaming 24/7

2557
01:55:30,510 --> 01:55:28,239
well great excellent hey Chris thanks so

2558
01:55:34,290 --> 01:55:30,520
much oh yeah thanks to the lobster man

2559
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:34,300
yeah yeah all right so all right so

2560
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:38,650
everyone we are going to call it a night

2561
01:55:43,530 --> 01:55:41,110
thank you so much for listening or

2562
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:43,540
watching on youtube or over at kgr a

2563
01:55:53,010 --> 01:55:47,650
radio we'll be back next week as always

2564
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:53,020
and next week's guest and I just want to

2565
01:55:57,810 --> 01:55:54,639
make sure I have that right

2566
01:55:59,790 --> 01:55:57,820
because that is Jennifer Stein so we're

2567
01:56:02,160 --> 01:55:59,800
going to be talking a little bit about

2568
01:56:03,870 --> 01:56:02,170
crop circles that'll be kind of

2569
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:03,880
interesting I saw her you know I've been

2570
01:56:06,569 --> 01:56:05,199
Larry it's kind of like the cattle

2571
01:56:09,500 --> 01:56:06,579
mutilations I don't know if there's any

2572
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:09,510
I don't really see any connection but

2573
01:56:14,939 --> 01:56:13,360
Linda I mean Jennifer does such a great

2574
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:14,949
presentation I said you know I'd love to

2575
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:17,110
have you on your show to hear you do

2576
01:56:21,540 --> 01:56:18,730
that again because it was really good

2577
01:56:24,180 --> 01:56:21,550
this was when I saw her out in out in

2578
01:56:25,699 --> 01:56:24,190
Phoenix so thank you so much everyone

2579
01:56:30,330 --> 01:56:25,709
and thanks for listening

2580
01:56:31,500 --> 01:56:30,340
@kg are a radio and I want to thank

2581
01:56:34,469 --> 01:56:31,510
people that helped out with the show

2582
01:56:35,219 --> 01:56:34,479
first of all Evan for helping out behind

2583
01:56:37,739 --> 01:56:35,229
the scenes

2584
01:56:41,279 --> 01:56:37,749
I want to thank Peggy for managing the

2585
01:56:44,969 --> 01:56:41,289
Facebook page race over at kgr a radio

2586
01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:44,979
and I know I'm forgetting people but

2587
01:56:48,779 --> 01:56:47,320
thanks for listening you're the most

2588
01:56:51,659 --> 01:56:48,789
important couldn't do the show without